MAR2012

From CleanPosts

Jump to: navigation, search

{:-]))) wrote: >

Matter matters without mattering.

While mattering, matters matter.

What is mind? No matter! What is matter? Never mind!


{:-]))) wrote:


One time I was riding down an alley way.

Kinda reminds me of a song.


Melanie, "Brand New Key"


I ride my bike, I roller skate, don't drive no car. Don't go too fast but I go pretty far...


{:-]))) wrote: Craig wrote: linuxgal wrote:

What is mind?

Illusion of awareness?


If the brain is an electro-chemical computer,

mind might be the programs running.

The brain is a pattern recognition engine. That's why when you sign up for Facebook they give you a visually noisy captcha, because thing which run programs don't do so well figuring out what it says.


To think there is really any separation

between things such as brain and mind or

people and their environments or the universe

might be a kind of illusion or delusion.

A sore foot can put you in a bad mood. Worrying about a test can lead to sore neck muscles.


Craig wrote:


I dunno - if one has to do an afterlife I think I'd go for the Norse

thing. In Valhalla I might even take up drinking again.


And a Swedish massage would sort of go with the territory.


Andrew W wrote:


Forget about that one tree for a minute.

Read Genesis again. A&E were given dominion over everything on the earth.

That's the trouble when Ezra mashed together the P and J documents, he didn't clean up all the loose ends.


duke wrote:


They were? They were clearly told to avoid one tree in the garden. They told

God that they's decide about the tree and not him. You see, a direct conflict

with what God said.

But they could not know it was an evil thing to do, because that knowledge came only after they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. So Adam and Eve were not morally culpable.


Anathema wrote:


Or, time as we know it, did not start until later.


How much later? A day? A week? A year?


{:-]))) wrote:


I've taken up drinking many times.

Still wrestle with it. I'd prefer not to,

but the desire for beer remains strong.

Everyone should believe in something.

I believe I'll have another beer.


Johnny Asia wrote:


They hate government handouts even though many of them are on

food stamps.

Libs want government out of their bedroom, but when they get prego, they want the government to pay for Plan B.


Elder(:)Child wrote:

The "I" Must Die!


Or as Jesus put it, if your I offends thee, pluck it out.


Pete wrote:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:39:15 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


Anathema wrote:

Or, time as we know it, did not start until later. >

How much later? A day? A week? A year?


I believe it was three days or was it two, When God created the Sun and

Moon.

How can it be three days "later" when time didn't start?


r m wrote: On Mar 14, 1:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us wrote:

No evidence supports that story.


Facts don't require evidence.

What peer-reviewed journal published the six day account?


r m wrote: On Mar 14, 2:02 pm, Pete <*@* wrote:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:39:15 +0800, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote: > Anathema wrote:

Or, time as we know it, did not start until later.

How much later? A day? A week? A year?

I believe it was three days or was it two, When God created the Sun and

Moon.


I reckoned that these two lights were created on the 4th day.

You do realize the moon isn't a "light" and has an albedo of 0.09, which makes it like a piece of charcoal, and it only appears bright by the light of the sun.


{:-]))) wrote: Craig wrote:


Oh well, reincarnation would seem tedious.


It is.

Day after day.

Each day is the same.

Adding them up after a fashion.

Everyone says how green the grass is there over the fence in Nirvana (Buddhist), or Paradise (Islam), Heaven (Christian), or the Celestial Kingdom (CoJCoLDS), but no one is in a real big hurry to go there.


Pete wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:22:07 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


How can it be three days "later" when time didn't start?


For two reasons, One, God said so, two there was no measuring point before

then on which it all keyed.

If God said this billiard ball is all white and all black at the same time, would it be so?


John Manning wrote:



A new Pew Research survey finds that 59% of American voters

say that President Obama is likely to be re-elected if his

opponent is Mitt Romney.


If the contest is between Obama and Rick Santorum, 68% anticipate

an Obama victory.

I'm Newt Gingrich and I approved this message.


{:-]))) wrote:


To discover the Nothing

which is gained, can be a Great

and wonderful treasure of Emptiness.


Which is just what a motorist waiting in traffic needs to see in front of him.


dsharavi wrote: On Mar 13, 2:49 pm, "Lord Krisna" <b>...@heaven.com wrote:

Once the people know of Reincarnation


Haredim have known about reincarnation for centuries.


Why don't you give the ol' slot machine another whirl right now, maybe you'll come up too rich to waste time on USENET.


ThomMadura wrote:

On 3/13/2012 9:29 PM, Free Lunch wrote: Why would anyone believe

anything except for conviction of truth? >

I never said believe. I said 'commit to a position'. someone testified

here recently that they became atheist because of peer pressure and to

justify an immoral lifestyle.



THAT claim of an immoral lifestyle was made by a theist- claiming that

atheists cannot be moral

That's easy when you make belief in God a moral imperative.


Vurgil wrote:

In article

be33817-e5fe-48db-b630-37cc581ae1aa@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, <b>

BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com

wrote:


King was an illiterate commie.

Fitting that a greater criminal take his place.


Those who dis MLK are as evil as the KKK and deserve eternal hellfire.

People wonder why MLK was a Republican, but it's not too hard to explain. The KKK were Democrats, you see.


Pete wrote: >

God created us in His image and expects us to use what he gave us. I would

also test the spirit to verify whether or not they be of God. It it was

truly God then Yes. He would show my why soon enough.


The correct answer is "no". God cannot produce a four-sided triangle or any other logical contradiction. And no one should expect the deity to do so.


BroilJAB wrote:

We know now that Obama actually ordered the

assassinations by 'Seal Team Murder Squads' of

both Americans and of prominent Moslem clerics.

We prefer to call it servicing the targets.


Vurgil wrote: >

Most of the modifications have been made after Darwin died, But the fact

that Evlution is continuously being modified, rather than simply

discarded, means that it is much closer to truth than those who deny it.

Newton was modified by Einstein, and Einstein will probably get modified by some hot shot who verifies Quantum Loop Gravity. Meanwhile, we use Newton to land on Titan and get pictures.


BroilJAB wrote:

If so simple and direct a question

utterly shuts down the central dogma

of evolutionism, it is not true science.

Yeah, we're all reeling from that utter shut down.


TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:


Wait, bicycling makes you smarter, then comes meditation. Last are the

ones that watch too much TV.

How about if you meditate on a television show while peddling your exercise bike in the family room?


John Manning wrote:



- Former Vice President Dick Cheney has cancelled an April

appearance in Toronto citing concerns Canada is too dangerous,

the National Post reports.

You saw what those Vancouverites did when they lost the Stanley Cup.


J wrote:

This is how it began for the Jews in Nazi Germany. Catholic-bashing has

become the new anti-Semitism.


I suppose the Church brought it upon herself with her "No Child's Behind Left Alone" policy.


Olrik wrote:

Le 2012-03-14 00:27, SkyEyes a écrit : >

That's insulting to pigs, which are rather intelligent and sensitive

beings. Pigs taste good - that's where they went wrong.


Sadly, I meet pigs while they're neatly packaged into yummy portions of

chops, roasts or fillets.


Allahu Oinkbar!


TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:

On Mar 1, 1:44 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR <davidl...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 01/03/2012 17:08, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser > Philosopher wrote: > > (There's no scientific study to prove this, just casual observation) > Bike riders demonstrate higher IQ than both drivers and pedestrians,

I wonder why there is no scientific study to back that up?


Just because they are discriminating against the smartest people on

earth, true descendents of Einstein.

>

You do realize that Einstein married his first cousin?


US4ZION wrote: >

Atheists are like ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand. They

think they can with fancy talk dismiss religion.

Yep, and they dismiss the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus while they're at it, and then stick their heads back in the sand.


hhyapster@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:32:16 AM UTC+8, BroilJAB wrote:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm


Holy?


In your stupid story, all human races were wiped out and you refer to it as holy?

They always gloss over the part where God realized he boofed it and decided to reboot.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.


Waldo Tunnel wrote: On Mar 11, 8:02 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com wrote:

Fritz Wuehler <fr...@spamexpire-201203.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote: >

100 years ago Democrats were enforcing Jim Crow

segregation laws, poll taxes to keep blacks from

voting, and riding around in sheets and pointy hats

just in case black folks didn’t get the message.

This is true,


Oh Ashley, Ashley, Ashley.

If the Democratic Party was a zoo with all the cages opened one day, all the victim classes on display would stay right were they are. After all, it's almost time for the food pellets to show up.


BroilJAB wrote:

How did the supposed 'first cell' reproduce?


I suppose if Mister Cell was unable to find Mrs. Cell, then he had to resort to the ol' mitosis.


MarkA wrote: >

No. The fact that the GOP has become a group of anti-intellectual,

anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic, anti-democracy,

pro-theocracy Stone Age troglodytes is what will re-elect Obama.


Yeah, everyone is just SO much better off now than they were four years ago.


MarkA wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:02:17 -0700, BroilJAB wrote:


drdino.com/

The math and statistics of Dr.Hovind

will be so dense that likely no evolutionism

believer will understand it, but Creationist

Scientist will grasp it readily.


"Dr" Hovind is such a mental giant he couldn't predict that not paying

your income taxes will land you in jail. I guess he never heard of Al

Capone?


Maybe he was banking on a religious tax exempt status.


THE BORG wrote:

THE BORG consider Earth people to be a filthy, inferior species with

zero intelligence.

Great, that means no one will try to assimilate us.


Davej wrote: On Mar 14, 7:01 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com wrote:

Coupled with Obama's order BURN THE KORAN


I thought Obama was a Muslim? You want it both ways now?

Diabolical. Obama orders the Koran burned, then his fellow Muslims rise up, kick the US out of Asscrackistan, and Obama has his "teachable moment" that force never solves anything.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:


Stalin was one of your guys. You either have to abandon athiesm or

abandon Stalin.

That's a neat trick!

Torquemada was one of your guys. You either have to abandon Catholicism or abandon Torquemada.


John Baker wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:55:17 -0500, Doc Smartass <FortbrickGeek@yahoobrick.com wrote:


..and raise you The Mighty THOR!! >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ip_Dt-yWbs >

Put down your drink.


Wow. Everything that sucked about '80s music all rolled up into one

incredibly ridiculous package. <G>


Who did these guys think their target aucience was? Ten year olds?


They make Dokken look like Coldplay.


Mike Painter wrote: Andrew wrote:

"Budikka666" wrote in message

news:bbf1326f-b3d4-4dfd-8bbb-78e2e3dc4c14@i5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com... >

So, how many angels/men were at the tomb? >

"Mark" claims there was only one. "Matthew" The

Plagiarist agrees, of course. >

"Luke" calls them liars. There were two, he insists!

Note that our friend Budikka is now counting angels.


Quoting is not counting.

I have a pin.


Jeanne Douglas wrote: >

Turning mullahs into martyrs will greatly increase the impetus toward

revolt.

There's always more mullahs popping up when they play whack-a-mullah.


Mike Painter wrote:

If you came to Jesus, why would you want a long life?

Convert and die would seem best.


Worked for Ted Bundy.


Olrik wrote:

Le 2012-03-14 06:40, linuxgal a écrit : Olrik wrote:

Le 2012-03-14 00:27, SkyEyes a écrit : >

That's insulting to pigs, which are rather intelligent and sensitive

beings. Pigs taste good - that's where they went wrong. >

Sadly, I meet pigs while they're neatly packaged into yummy portions

of chops, roasts or fillets. >

Allahu Oinkbar!


Don't you have a kernel to recompile?

There's a kernel of truth to that.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:

In article

<Jason-1403122231480001@67-150-122-122.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:



Don't be shocked if other posters tell you that I am wrong about Satan

once being named Lucifer. However, I do believe that Satan was named

Lucifer before he was kicked out of heaven.


But, as usual, you have absolutely no evidence, not even from your

bible, that this is so.

Quotes from Milton and Shakespeare keep creeping into Evangelical tradition. After all, they wrote King James English just like Jesus talked.



BroilJAB wrote:


When you

eat Ben&Jerrys crap...every single flavor

has chemical-sprinkled-grit and garbage in

it. You're always have to spit the crap out,

with each spoon. What's your favorite flavor

of Hagen-Dazs?

And how can this be? For he IS the Kumquat Haagendazs!


BroilJAB wrote:


I notice John Baker 'Virgil' with half

a dozen 'clever new SNs'. Notice

this latest 'Linusgurl'.

Linuxgal, thanks. Posting from the Mozilla Seamonkey newsreader on Puppy Linux 4.3.1.


duke wrote: >

I've forever more stated that no one knows if there was a Noah flood or not.


That's great, because even Noah couldn't figure out God's instructions at the time:

GEN 7:8-9 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

No, that's wrong, Noah, God said SEVEN of the clean beasts and fowls, and TWO of everything else!

Apparently Noah thought the last-minute change by Yahweh was silly, so he went back to the original plan, and loaded the ark with the animals he already had, whether they were clean or unclean.


Robert Parker wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:10:34 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


MarkA wrote:

No. The fact that the GOP has become a group of anti-intellectual,

anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic, anti-democracy,

pro-theocracy Stone Age troglodytes is what will re-elect Obama. >

Yeah, everyone is just SO much better off now than they were four years ago.


Actually yes, much progress has been made inspite of the resistance of the

GOP. Still a hell of a long ways from cleaning up the carnage of the Bush

years.

Karzai wants U.S. troops out of villages and out of the country by 2013.

U.S. moves massacre soldier to Kuwait; Afghans furious...

Thousands protest, chant anti-American slogans...

Taliban suspends peace talks with U.S....

Obummer fills out his NCAA basketball brackets.


Dakota wrote: On 3/14/2012 10:36 PM, sbalneav wrote:

Maybe you SHOULD talk to a scientist. >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDN1WYwaJHY


Feynmann had one of the very best minds of the past century. I hope they

preserved his DNA so he can be cloned when that becomes possible.

Too bad DNA doesn't have nearly the bandwidth to code for brain wiring.

     Then we could breed geniuses and straight people like we breed dogs.


THE BORG wrote:


The prophecy in Christian Revelations is appropriate. It does prophecy

the rise of women and the damage they cause and it prophecies their

destruction, along with all men who promote and support them.

That's a nice stash of Playgirl magazine you got under your bed.


HVAC wrote:

Bad news for Miss Cleo and other alleged clairvoyants: A new study has

failed to find evidence that psychic ability is real.


How come Miss Cleo has to ask for your credit card number?


Jahnu wrote:


"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --

they believe in anything." -- GK Chesterton

So the trick is to never start believing in God.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: On 2012-Mar-15 06:07, HVAC wrote:

He's sort of a one-trick pony.


Ha ha! Hey, does your scale have any one-trick invisible pink unicorns

on it? I'm merely curious.


Tell that unicorn slut don't be turning any on this corner.


duke wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:32:41 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: >

They were? They were clearly told to avoid one tree in the garden. They told

God that they's decide about the tree and not him. You see, a direct conflict

with what God said.

But they could not know it was an evil thing to do, because that

knowledge came only after they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good

and Evil. So Adam and Eve were not morally culpable.


Sin was not attributable to them because there was no law. They knew what "no"

meant, but not the ramifications.

So if sin was not attributable to our first parents, how much less so attributable to their progeny as "Original Sin".


John Baker wrote: >

'Dune' might have been a better movie if David Lynch had filmed the

story Frank Herbert wrote instead of putting his trademark

surrealistic spin on it. > Lynch was a hot director back then, and George Lucas tried to get him to direct Jedi, but Lynch couldn't stomach the teddy bear things. Nevertheless, you can see what Jedi might have looked like if Lynch did accept the job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg3nSFNZY9Y


Andy W wrote:


But Calvin Ramsey teaches that the end or design of the whole plan is

for billions of people who have never done anything wrong should get

tortured for eternity, as punishment for believing irresistible

falsehoods from God, so why would anyone listen to him?

Such a deity would be worthy of nothing but contempt.


Budikka666 wrote:

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/u-s-government-allows-

killing-of-bald-eagles-for-religious-purposes/


How is this *any* different from the Taliban blowing up the Buddha

statues in Afghanistan, or of burning the US flag?

Eagles are a renewable resource, and we can always order more flags from Chinese sweatshops.


Vurgil wrote:

In article

<8afc178f-fdd7-487c-9637-c9386aa14c78@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,

BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com

wrote:


The acid test of Creationist claims

was MET in the Coelacanth which

falsified their claims absolutely.


But there is much better evidence falsifying creationism than that.

My personal favorite one is the Yakima River canyon hereabouts which meanders like the Big Muddy because the land rose over millions of years while the river stayed in it's bed.


Jason wrote:

In article <WK2dnX8-6KF0UvzSnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal

>

Lucifer is mentioned in Isaiah 14:12


It states:


"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning, how art

thou cut down to the ground".

It refers to a local human potentate who screwed up, not very much unlike Obama.


Apron Fish wrote:

Calvin Ramsey <calramsey@hotmail.com wasted perfectly good resources in

news:jjt4lj$68v$2@speranza.aioe.org:


<ignored>


Calvin, if you wore a big feathered boa and latex tutu and jigged about on

youtube spouting your trash at least it would be somewhat funny.

Don't forget the Carmen Miranda fruit hat.


Les Hellawell wrote: >

Reincarnation is clearly false. If it were true the total

of all living things would be constant. It isn't. > Not only that, but if you can't remember your past life, this is exactly equivalent to not having a past life.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



He did say "you can count me out, in."

Only on the White Album version that sounds like Holiday Inn lounge music. On the single that actually rocks, it's "out".


Calvin Ramsey wrote: On 3/14/2012 7:41 PM, John Manning wrote: > >

...Only one in four Americans favor Israel launching

a military strike against Iran's nuclear program, according

to a new University of Maryland poll.


One can be confident that a "poll" taken from a university in the

North-eastern section of the United States is permeated with Liberal

Left-wing bias and propaganda.

Yeah, they should have polled the people coming out of the WalMart in Birmingham, AL, where they "love the guv'nah" Boo Hoo Hoo. Now we all did what we could do.


ala wrote:


"Waldo Tunnel" <waldotunnel@gmail.com wrote in message

news:5526dba8-ebee-4e67-8cde-b24c42fd69e6@v7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Mar 10, 12:25 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com wrote:


>

Beatles were pop. Stones were rock.


Baloney. Listen to: I'm Down, Twist and Shout, Roll Over Beethoven,

Money, etc, etc.


beatles took their roots from rhythm and blues, via Elvis who took it

from gospel and blues

But making Ringo cover that Shirelles tune about "Boys" was just mean.


BroilJAB wrote:

Not long ago, evolutionists taught the coelacanth

fish was extinct for 200 million years. Confident in

their claims...until a LIVING coelacanth was hauled

up in a net. Did the atheists apologize, were there

banner headlines proclaiming 'Evolution Falsified'?

Instead, they tried to buy the fish and throw it back.

They got the idea from a pastor who made each member of his congregation buy several copies of the Led Zeppelin "Zoso" or "Four Symbols" album so they could burn them in the church parking lot.


ala wrote:


"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasmulletstein@isalwaysright.com wrote

in message news:jjrctc$dnp$1@dont-email.me... > > >

Purple Haze is sped up bluesy funky music. Helter Skelter is full on

metal.


thanks for the information tho

"She's So Heavy" on Abbey Road makes Metallica "The Unforgiven" sound like something the Buggles sang.


Budikka666 wrote:

>

Meanwhile creationists are *still* trying to conjure up some theology

to account for why chimpanzees are more closely related to humans than

they are to gorillas.

Jared Diamond calls us the Third Chimpanzee.


(Hebrew something) wrote:


Theists will often use the free will argument against the problem of

evil raised by atheists. Personally I don't really buy their

argument.


It assumes there really is such a thing as "good" and "evil". Seems to me it all depends on your point of view. A hunter kills Bambi's momma, that's evil for Bambi, good for his own family.


Jahnu wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 18:04:43 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


So the trick is to never start believing in God.


It's up to you what you choose to believe in, of course.


Basically - do you choose to believe that the world created itself

randomly by a bunch of chemicals for no reason at all,

I wouldn't use those terms, like "created itself". Rather I would say an accreting disk of gas and dust formed the sun, and the equatorial bulge flattened out, carrying away most of the angular momentum, and this bulge formed a number of smaller accretion disks that became the planets, and in turn formed sub-accretion disks that formed a number of moons.

>and that death

means the end of everything as far as you are concerned. Or do you

choose to believe there is a Supreme intelligent director, who created

the world for a specific purpose. It's all up to you.

People pay good money and go on diets to keep themselves from extending to infinity in all directions in space, yet they lament that human life is finite, and seek the holy grail of making themselves unlimited in the direction of time. But look around you. Nothing in this world is meant to endure forever. Even the redwoods last for only 2,000 years, an eyeblink in the life of the Earth, which itself is destined to be swallowed by Sol when it goes red-giant.


Anonymous:


I keep thinking about Steve Jobs' alleged "oh wow" just before he died. Haunting.


When I stepped off the plane in Manila last time, it was hotter'n a sumbitch, and I went "Oh wow!"


THE BORG wrote:

Would you like us to also make further orifices in the women for you to

enjoy pleasure?

We could for example increase the size of their nostrils.

We would take careful measurements to ensure that each nostril is of

sufficient size to accommodate the new large penis.

Greg Bear did something like this in his novel Slant, set in about 2055.

  Nanotechnology intended to tweak gardens was used to give hookers a 

number of vaginas all over their body. Worked for a while, but they they got cooked because the nano didn't know when to quit.


Don Martin wrote: >

Curiously, I remember reading an article in _Variety_ in 1961; it traced the

origins and development of rock music (then rock and roll) to a decision on

Madison Avenue to go after the teen-age market.

Naw, it was just what they called "Race Music" but performed by whites.


Josef Balluch wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Jope wrote:



Atheist professor¢s near-death experience in hell left him changed



Atheist professors sure are a popular topic with creationists.

Atheist professor records the sound of billions of human screams in five mile deep oil well, leaving him changed.


God wrote:

>

How do you know for example there would even BE any birds in Paradise?

A shitload of parrots going "Holy holy holy!"


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

Do you really like being an athiest? Wouldn't you rather believe in a

loving God and a perfect afterlife? Doesn't it feel cold not believing

in Him? If you don't find Him, then stand outside during a thunderstorm

and maybe you'll be struck by lightning like I was.

I think we turned a corner on this whole thing when the town whorehouse put up a set of lightning rods, and the town church relied on "faith", and it was the church burned down.


BroilJAB wrote:

Dont join Darwin in Hell.

Get an education.

Read the Black Book

The Audacity of Hope?


Vurgil wrote: >

You are, since (1) you yourself cited Webster as the standard on

meanings of American English, and (2) the entry from Webster Online,

which you carefully snipped, places lack of belief above belief of lack,

in its definition of "atheism".

It's like amorality, which means morality does not apply A robot is amoral, not immoral.


THE BORG wrote:

So as we are made of Light, then in the beginning when God said

"Let there be Light" what he indirectly said was "Let there be BORG".

Hence was created the first borgasm.


THE BORG wrote:

So as we are made of Light, then in the beginning when God said

"Let there be Light" what he indirectly said was "Let there be BORG".

Hence was created the first borgasm.


Smiler wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:12:09 -0400, MarkA wrote:


One of the joys of having a teenage daughter is that you get exposed to TV

shows that you wouldn't think to watch on your own.

Most men stop doing that when notice they have started to grow a pussy.


kensmithiscool wrote: On Mar 15, 1:17 pm, KabukiBob <fvrn...@yahoo.com wrote:


He clearly doesn't know me. I think the recent, ahem, downturn in the

Bob Larson look-at-me media circuit has poor widdle KSICie's panties


[?!]


What downturn? BL knew exactly he was walking into a lion's den.

Anyone who purchases a firehouse as an abode and throws homosexual

parties clearly isn't going to be nice to evangelists.

Wow, this group is still going on? Hasn't been the same glory days since John Hattan left.


Joshua Israel Gemmell wrote:

What did Pope Leo I say to the King Attila the Hun to prevent him from

sacking Rome?

"All the women in Rome have syphillis."


Rufus:


Interesting. If I'm doing my sums right, the world is now obtaining

about 3% of its electricity from "Wind."

And if things keep going this way, the world will get more and more of it's power from wind, and animal muscle, and eventually human muscle. What an amazing productivity tool a whip can be.


duke wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav <sbalneav@alburg.net wrote:


 Having

the sins of the father visited on the children is, as you're well aware,

one of the fundamental tennets of the Abrahamic religions. Without that,

the entire concept of Original Sin goes out the window.


The penalty is to the 3rd and 4th generation.


The Word of God is of two minds on that issue.

EZEKIEL 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


tirebiter wrote: >

There is no obsession with bats. It is about the glaring factual

errors in the so-called inerrant word of the bible. How haven't you

figured that out yet?

Bats really were birds in the days of the Old Testament. Then when the House of Israel released Bar Abbas and condemned the creator's only Son, the living God cursed the Earth again, and the glory of the bat, who once soared above the osprey and the eagle, became a winged mouse thing that flapped only at night and skulked in caves by day.


Tom Potter wrote: >

Google now wants to 'learn as much about people's private lives as possible'

Company has 'stopped' being a technology company focused on innovation

'When Gmail displays ads based on things in my email it creeps me out'"


It's really embarrassing when my mother comes over and wants me to clean the malware off her laptop, and when she watches me surf to Google to look for the link to Lavasoft, it says, "Based on your frequent searches for 'whips' and 'chains' we recommend the following products for you to consider."


raven1 wrote:

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 01:48:38 -0700 (PDT), BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com wrote:


Please take this over to talk.origins. I could use a good laugh.


At one time, Evolution was believed to be

the leading edge of science, until it was

discovered that it is instead a tautology which

can never be falsified.

As opposed to Creationism which is based on good, rock-solid Bible preaching.


MarkA wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:03:39 -0500, duke wrote:


It's brings a wonderful smile to mommie's face. It's what she always

wants.


Aren't you due for another electroshock treatment?


Sometimes when babies smile they're not really happy, there's just trying to fart.


HVAC wrote: On 3/15/2012 12:53 PM, Warhol wrote: > >

Hot enough to render you to ashes for ever and ever... >

Is 'for ever and ever' longer than 'forever'? >

-- > >

that is eternity...



OK, so 'forever' isn't eternity?



Forever is Aleph-null, the infinity of integers. Eternity is the infinity of real numbers, which Cantor proved was much greater.


ignorant bastard wrote:


What's currently being sold on eBay is the single hemisphere of

the petrified human brain that Ed discovered between coal veins

and dated, via Potassium-Argon, as 280 million years -- give or take

a few centuries.

Labeled Abby, abby normal something.


Doc Smartass wrote:

plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com wrote in

news:516469df-27e6-4492-97e2-7e06484c792a@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:


fuck int'l law


No, no, no, no. Fuck _you_


America is sovereign and will stay sovereign.


Just remember to wear your helmet when you go outside. Got to protect your

widdle head.


I prefer a copper mesh lining for my helmet. It still has all of the protection from CIA mind control rays that a closed aluminum foil Faraday Cage provides, while still permitting my scalp to breathe.


Jahnu wrote: On 16 Mar 2012 03:41:29 +0100, Irrelevant Dave wrote:


lah blah>


"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of

human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still

primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

- Albert Einstein


"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival

of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"


--Albert Einstein

Albert was misinformed. Women bleed once a month, and also lose a lot of iron carrying a child for nine months. So it's a race against anemia, and a fat juicy filet mignon sounds really good.


<b>pnyikos wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net wrote:


The endless

debates about women as 'priests

God said "no dice". End of issue.


Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have

the authority to ordain women priests.

It wasn't always that way. In Romans 16, Paul mentions Junia, who was "of note among the apostles". Somewhere along the way the misogynists took over.


Smiler wrote:

>

"She's the village bike." (ridden by everyone) is a popular insult here. > And if you replace the b with a d (ridden by no one) it's another popular insult.



Vurgil wrote:

In article <-_CdnTKkevYvpv_SnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,

"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net

wrote:


Yes, and we should know that it came from an intelligent source.


We get encoded information from the sun and from other stars, so by your

theory each of them must be an intelligent being.

Those stellar absorption lines are so dang eloquent they'll be used to navigate when we figure out how to go faster than light.


Vurgil wrote:

>

So how high is the sun's IQ that you now call it an intelligent source?

You're saying there's no such thing as Ra? You fricken atheist.


kensmithiscool wrote:

>

What downturn? BL knew exactly he was walking into a lion's den.

Anyone who purchases a firehouse as an abode and throws homosexual

parties clearly isn't going to be nice to evangelists.

I dunno, Jim Bakker and Ted Haggart and many other thumpers would probably dig those parties.


raven1 wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:45:27 -0700 (PDT), BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com wrote:


Darwin died in his sorrow, heartsick that the

Fossil Record showed no missing links, but he

hoped someday one might be found. Today, Dr.

Gould has admitted the situation is far more

damaging to evolution. We have fewer claimed

transitionals today, then 188 years ago.


This is an outright lie (not to mention a basic misunderstanding: all

fossils are transitional.)

How do you tag a fossil as transitional anyway? Is there a special bone that pops up like a mailbox flag which means "transition in progress" ?


BroilJAB wrote:

drdino.com/

At one time, the world's leading Evolutionist,

John Haldane demonstrated the impossibility

of it, using mathematics.

They also insist that mathematically, a bumblebee can't fly.


cybrwurm wrote:

IF you have PROOF of his non-existence - post it

An omniscient and eternal God is a contradiction in terms. Eternity means God exists outside of time, and sees all of history before him like a tapestry. But contingent beings who exist inside of time, like myself, know it is precisely 5:14 AM (PST) on 17 MAR 2012, a knowledge that changes from second to second. This is something an immutable God cannot know.


fasgnadh wrote:

Budikka666 wrote "There's a Correlation between Poverty and Religion":


It's a POSITIVE one, with all the worlds most prosperous, successful,

free, open, tolerant, secular democracies, like the USA, being MAJORITY

RELIGIOUS societies, and the last Atheist regime, Nth Korea is a

complete basket case, so poor that the UN can't even rate them on the

Human Development Index.


I wouldn't say the Norks are atheists. They believe in the Holy Trinity of the Father (Kim Il Sung), the Son (Kim Jong Il) and the Ineffectual Vapor (Kim Jong-Un).


BroilJAB wrote:

Gould has admitted the situation is far more

damaging to evolution. We have fewer claimed

transitionals today, then 188 years ago.


Science isn't a Gallup poll. One transitional falsifies Creationism.


BroilJAB wrote:

Darwin123 asks how it falsifies evolutionism

Just because all their claims were wrong,

when a supposed EXTINCT fish found alive,

their predictions of 'transitionals' shattered...

The claim of extinct status was falsifiable, hence scientific. Push a Creationist too far, they'll declare, "God said it, I believe it, end of discussion."


BroilJAB wrote:

We need to keep a registry of homosexualists

and others dying from VD. Merge the police

suspects list with those having sought medical

treatment, and then produce an omnibus listing.

Too many Fundamentalist pastors and career Republican politicians taking a "wide stance" would show up on that list, so it's not going to happen.


BroilJAB wrote:

btw, you DO realize that 'linux girl' is only

one of the latest ..very transparent nyms

of Virgil aka John Baker aka yfk aka Mulletstein

aka Waldo Tunnel...Mitchell Raemsch

Fidem Turbare...the BORG...


Not so, me and alt.atheism go way back. Old timers will remember a Teresita and all the giggles we had back then.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:

In article <5ftng7.gcn.19.1@news.alt.net>, J <jdyoung1@ymail.com

wrote:


It's critics will claim that the Holy See favors discrimination against

homos but, the churches motivation is strictly to protect social decency

and the institution of marriage. The gay community has no better friend

than the RCC; witness the hospices run by the church and the

organizations they support that help homos overcome their affliction.



What affliction would that be?


For women, the afflication of wearing flannel and sensible shoes and listening to Suzanne Vega and other Lilith Fair luminaries.

For men, the affliction of ordering on Amazon every available Andrew Lloyd Webber Original Cast Recording.


BroilJAB wrote:

True believers in evolution claim that Natural

Selection is just as factual as gravity. Does

Natural Selection operate on Venus, on Pluto?

Sure it does. Every time a spore from Earth ends up on Venus or Pluto, it naturally dies. But if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.


BroilJAB wrote:

A California ballot measure to legalize

marijuana isn't getting enough signatures to

make it onto the ballot.

"Dude, there've got a ballot to legalize pot!"

"Kewl bro, where at?"

"In front of Walmart man! Let's go!"

"Oh man, where's my shoes?"

"I don't know, man. You wanna go sign the petition."

"Uh, naw, Dude, load another bowl."

"Okay."


Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

[snips]


On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:45:14 -0500, Mathias Sereno wrote:

"Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe

what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe

the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

    --2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (ESV)



So, God intentionally deludes them, then punishes them for being

deluded. That God character really is a sick, twisted, evil bastard.


EZEKIEL 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.


BroilJAB wrote:

Evolution says: the fossils date the rocks

which date the fossils which date the rocks.

Recursive reasoning is a hallmark of

science fraud.

Actually, the rocks are dated by the ratio of certain radioactive isotopes, which are in equilibrium while the rock is liquid, but begin to differ from the baseline when the rock solidifies and the isotopes are no longer free to diffuse through the material, and begin to decay in place.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

I apologize if I offended anybody. It's just that foreigners terrify me

because I was beaten up by a foreigner in 6th grade. I don't trust

them. Unless they're from Africa.

Then you should follow up on those emails from the Nigerian widow who needs to move 10 million dollars.


Mathias Sereno wrote: On 3/17/2012 1:31 AM, John Baker wrote:

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:58:38 -0500, Mathias Sereno <msereno2011@hotmail.com

wrote:

>

Arminianism DEBUNKED - Arminian Theology Destroyed - Calvinism Affirmed >

by John MacArthur >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkX0kCPwnI > >

You stupid fucking imbecile. Who let you out of your cage?


Up yours.



"Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." -- Jesus


J wrote:


It's critics will claim that the Holy See favors discrimination against

homos but, the churches motivation is strictly to protect social decency

and the institution of marriage. The gay community has no better friend

than the RCC...

No doubt. With the vocation of matrimony closed to priests, the gay community provides the largest recruiting pool for seminaries.


Kent Wills wrote: >

    So if he's a long timer, he has Asperger's.
    If he's a short timer, he has Asperger's.
    Lemme guess.  Only those with your EXACT posting time are free of

the disorder, right?

That implied claim itself is remarkably Asperger's-like.


Kent Wills wrote: >


    I heard Doug got himself an actual minister's gig.
    I haven't heard anything about Joe.


Much entertainment ensued back then. One of my favorite parts was when Doug tried to defend the prophesy that Tyre (Sidon), Lebanon, would never be rebuilt.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: >

Another big problem with your claim is that it appears dependent on the

idea that the speed of time can be adjusted

Actually it can. Time will bend and warp to ensure the velocity of light remains constant.


Joshua Israel Gemmell wrote:


A painting by Raphael indicates that it did take place, even if King

Atila never had a scribe to do his writing doesn't mean it did happen.

A fresco by Michaelangelo indicates God really did give life to Adam with an outstretched hand.


Promulgator wrote:

Isn't it ironic how you will often find that the people who believe it's

perfectly fine to execute the innocent unborn are the same people who

are gathering outside a prison's gates holding signs and burning candles

protesting the imminent execution of some of the vilest humans ever.

P

Isn't it ironic that you often find people calling for criminals to atone for their sin in their own blood, but then claim their own sin is covered by the blood of Christ's execution?


IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

>

He created THE FIRST PERSON ONLY, from dust . His name was Adam.

Stop trying to deny the Creator before its simply too late for you.

What's the big deal? If there's an afterlife, then Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov are creationists now. Isn't that what you wanted?


Davej wrote:

>

Gravity applies only to objects with significant mass. It doesn't

apply to anything else.

Gravity applies to objects with non-zero mass, and it also bends light, which has no mass.


jim wrote:


Congress determines spending. And currently

the federal debt is equal to the amount the

private sector is underspending its income due

to paying down debt and saving.


When you mention an amount of private sector "underspending" you are implying a baseline spending level that you're pulling out of your ass.

 The ChiComs can get away with this sort of central politburo planning 

but this is Amurrica dagnabbit.


Phlip wrote: On Mar 17, 2:42 pm, .MattB. <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com wrote:


Santorum says he would enforce US obscenity laws that Obama ignores


You mean the laws saying you can't send explicit prose descriptions of

sexual acts via telegraph?

Dot me, dash me, make me yell S-O-S!


Phlip wrote: On Mar 17, 3:55 pm, wy <w...@myself.com wrote:


Never mind that, but what exactly does he think is "legal"

pornography?


If it gives the judge a Woodrow, it's porn.

"The court will examine this evidence during an extended recess."


P.N. wrote: >

Just like Jeffs is being humiliated, so will the world be humbled i a full

way.

I thought God so loved the world that he gave his only son. Now he's all about driving the world into the dust?


default wrote:

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT), BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com wrote:


A young schoolgirl who stood up to question

the claims of Darwinists is being sued into silence

under a new law that apparently was designed to

protect the junk science from scrutiny.


Let me guess... Transfer student from Texas?

Naw, it was one of Caribou Barbie's kids.


Devils Advocaat wrote: >

I don't recall anyone here telling you a new species of gnat was

created in a lab. But I do recall you being told you don't get to

redefine macroevolution to avoid the fact that speciation is part of

the definition of macroevolution.

There is no macro or micro evolution, that's a myth from the Young Earthers. There's descent with variation, and deep time.


Devils Advocaat wrote:


You are putting limits on your god.


Either your god is all knowing or not.


It's that simple.

Q. What do you call an omniscient deity who impregnates teenaged Jewish girls?

A. A fucking know-it-all.


BroilJAB wrote:

The HGProject provided a highly visible Test

for the claims of evolution. And evolution

failed by nearly 500%.

Wow, so that's like getting four flat tires and finding out your spare is flat too.


BroilJAB wrote:

Today, convicted mass murder Ivan the Terrible

died.

It must be so, he, like Osama bin Laden, is now registered to vote in Chicago.


KabukiBob wrote: >

As some studies have shown, the males who are viciously homophobic

seem to under the penis meter also have signs of erections regarding

homosexual images.

This is no big deal. Human sexuality is a smooth spectrum, not a binary switch.


David Fritzinger wrote:


Yet, we have abundant fossil evidence of humans evolving from other

apes, of mammals evolving from reptiles, of birds evolving from

dinosaurs, of whales evolving from land dwelling animals, etc.

The Bible, on the other hand, mentions unicorns in nine verses. We have no fossil evidence of them.


David Fritzinger wrote: >

If God is omniscient, he *HAS* to know what I am going to do, not only

for the rest of the year, but for the rest of my life. Same with you,

and every one of the 6 billion + people on this planet.

Not to mention what he himself is going to do for the rest of eternity.

 I can imagine no greater hell.  No wonder he lashed out and created a 

perpetual torture chamber. Others should be miserable too.


BroilJAB wrote:

Margie said,

Evolutionism does need laws to protect it

from Fundies and others who question it.

Funny, it was the "evolutionist" teacher found guilty in 1925 and ordered to pay a $100 fine.


David Fritzinger wrote: >

ID is nothing more than creationism with a very thin veneer of

scientific sounding terms on top. The only real difference is that ID

does not name the "intelligent designer", in an effort to get around the

fact that it is unconstitutional to teach religion in public schools.

The biggest problem with it is that the designer isn't very intelligent.

He had Adam check out all the animals for a mate first, before going oh, shit, maybe you need to mate with your own species.

He had to reboot his entire design with a flood because the first version was FUBAR.

Now, according to St. Peter, he's getting ready to melt the earth with fire and roll out version 3.0.


KabukiBob wrote: >

Maybe one of his " courses" is how to castrate demons. And yes he

thinks all demons are male and have penises.

I suppose he would know, having cast out hundreds of them. I can't imagine they were wearing clothes when they came out of people like that baby alien in Alien.


Alan Ferris wrote: >

No, but when the church claims to be authority on morals and feels it

can tell people what is should and should not do, then clearly it

should make sure that it does not act immorally itself. > In California, for Prop 8, the priests put aside their boy butt sex long enough to rally the faithful against marriage equality.


Jason wrote: >

Good points--in those situations the owners of the drug stores should make

sure there is at least one pharmacist on duty that will fill all

prescriptions.

And we also need to make sure that jet planes are crewed with at least one born-again Christian who could still land the plane in the event of the Rapture.



Jason wrote: >

Not really--God also has free will and as a result is able to do anything

that God wants to do.

God wants all men to be saved, but not all men are saved, so I guess God can't do everything he wants to do.

1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Jason wrote: >

Life is too complex to have developed through evolution alone.

So what's the cutoff? More complex than the Internet?



Jason wrote: >

It's my opinion that God know all about what Hitler was doing and decided

to not interfere. He left it up to people to deal with Hitler.


If God knew everything Hitler was going to do, then Hitler didn't have free will, he was just performing a script that God already read.



Jason wrote: >

Or because he left it up to people to deal with Hitler.


Hitler ate a lot of greasy Bratwurst, a heart attack in 1932 would have saved 56 million lives. If I was a good God that's what I woulda done.

 One dead to save many.



Jason wrote: >

God is all knowing but can choose each day what he chooses to know. God

also has free will.


But if he chooses what day to know, that means he leaves other days on the table. So he doesn't know those days. Which means he's.... (wait for it...wait for it...) NOT OMNISCIENT!



Jason wrote:


I look at it a different way. Yes, I agree that God has the power to know

everything that you will do the rest of this year---but that does not mean

that God will use his power to do it.

This is like an alcoholic saying he has the power to quit anytime he wants to, he just doesn't want to.



US4ZION wrote:

WTF? Tweet this twat that. FaceButt my ass.


What the hell is this world coming too?


Back in my day we didn't have these newfangled smart phones. You kids don't know how good you got it. We had to tie two soup cans together with a string to talk to each other.


Jason wrote: >

God had the power to know all about Hitler before he was ever born.

However, I don't know if God used his power to learn about Hitler before

he was ever born.

If he didn't, then he wasn't looking out for his Chosen People very well. No wonder they nuked up.



Jason wrote: >

I guess I would try to get the federal government to give the company a

billion dollars. The large banks were able to get huge amounts of money

from the federal government. GM also got huge amounts of money from the

federal government.


And what did the banks do with all that money? Did they go, "Wheee! Let's go buy a yacht!" or did they stick it in the kitty to serve as the capital reserves they were required to have?


BroilJAB wrote:

Almost have to wonder. What known, legitimate science

needs 'special laws' created to keep it from being questioned?

Paybacks are a bitch. Watch the movie "Inherit the Wind".


KabukiBob wrote: >

You should have heard the audiotape he made where he described how

eagerly he as to look at Elvis's crotch in Presley's first TV

appearance.


Mama's baby's in the heart of every schoolgirl. Love Me Tender leaves them crying in the aisles. The way he moved, it was a song, so sweet and true. Always wanting more, he'd leave you longing for...

Black Velvet etc. etc.


Ray Fischer wrote: lsrlts <dddr@g.nail wrote: Ray Fischer wrote: >

You stated that the US is not a democracy.

It's a Republic, duh.


What KIND of republic, dumbass?


If anyone can, RepubliCan.


Meteorite Debris wrote: >

MOSCOW, March 17, 2012=3FIn an interview with a black African bishop, the

British evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins identified himself as an

African ape. >

Is there a problem with this?


lsrlts wrote: On 3/17/2012 7:18 PM, wy wrote:

ALL Americans are losers.


What is Canuckia?

Canuckistan. Where the people burn down their city after they lose to the Great Satan in the Stanley Cup.


BroilJAB wrote:

Turn off the boob tube.

Pick up the Black Book.

You mean Santa's Little Black Book with all the naughty girl's phone numbers in it?


BroilJAB wrote:

Laughed off the world stage,

super-racist Darwin had to edit and

re-edit his bilge 'science' many times.

As opposed to the authors of the Bible, who gave us their first draft and burned any proofreaders at the stake.


BroilJAB wrote:

How did the supposed 'first cell' reproduce?

Better yet, where did Cain get his wife, if he was kicked out of Adam's commune?


BroilJAB wrote:

Remember that Evolutionists teach that

'man used to have a tail but it wore away

due to inherited effects of friction'.

If that was true, then they wouldn't have a penis today either.


BroilJAB wrote:

A truly moving narrative, and first hand

from a longtime atheist. God does not

want to see the atheists choose Hell.

Come to Him.

Tony Soprano does not want his debtors to choose Furio's knee-capping crowbar. Come to Him (with the vig).


BroilJAB wrote:

Evolution says: the fossils date the rocks

which date the fossils which date the rocks.

Are you talking about speed dating between old women and high school drop outs?



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>

The reason modern Christian rock bands suck is because God makes them

create horrible music as a way to test us.

Maybe it's much simpler than that. They don't have the chops to be playing music in the first place, but they feel they've been "called" to reach the yoots somehow.


THE BORG wrote:

Indeed yes.

Some humans cannot make it two years before quickie divorce sets in.

Normally after woman has done brat breeding exercise.



Are you talking about Newt or Rush?


BroilJAB wrote:

Darwin died in his sorrow, heartsick that the

Fossil Record showed no missing links, but he

hoped someday one might be found.

If the fossil record showed no links I suppose that's why they were called "missing".


BroilJAB wrote:

At one time, evolutionists could claim that

'a cell is undifferentiated protoplasm', a blob.

Today we know that the cell is a virtual

factory of hypercomplex machinery.

At one time Isaac Asimov thought that Pluto was the size of Mars. Now we know it is just 1200 miles across. You do science with the instruments you have, not the instruments you would like to have.


BroilJAB wrote:

that man would have in the range of 120,000 genes.

But after the results of the HGP, it turned out that

the figure is in the range of 23,000.

And no wonder, because a "gene" is an arbitrary construct to begin with.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

I had a God-sized

hole in my brain until I was struck by lightning and had a vision of the

tallest mountain in the world.

We now know that mad cow disease is caused by prions forming holes in the brain.


ala wrote:


"THE BORG" org@heaven.com wrote in message

news:6v98r.65528$rS.36570@newsfe15.iad...

So that is settled then.

You do not want Eternal Life a la Jesus.


I would like to have eternal nothing\

this life is boring the next one will be worse


Heaven Heaven is a place A place where nothing Nothing ever happens.


<b>Vurgil wrote:


Without objective physical evidence of a hell existing, the sane do not

believe it does.

Who needs evidence, the very concept of eternal fire violates the first law of thermodynamics.


BroilJAB wrote:

At one time, Evolution was believed to be

the leading edge of science, until it was

discovered that it is instead a tautology which

can never be falsified. Natural Selection they

claimed was 'survival of the fittest'.

Meanwhile, ironically, Creationism evolved into ID because of predatory court rulings winnowing out the unfit models.


BroilJAB wrote:

DaveJ said,

Evolution could easily be falsified.

Just get Jesus to appear in the sky

What if he's got Darwin floating there next to him and says he and Chuck are tight buds?


BroilJAB wrote:

Born a Christian, 'Augustinian' soon joined the

demonic Manichaean church.

Born a Christian, eh? Came out of his momma with a rosary in his little hand?


Tim wrote:

I just saw an advertisement on FB. The Dalia Lama is pitching his new

book "Beyond Religion". I hope there is a local book signing. I'd love

to get that rockstar's autograph!


I'd like Dalai Parton's autograph instead.


TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:

Great wisdom in my comment:


"Man is bipedal, so the bike makes sense. Evolution works toward

efficiency."

It makes sense if there are blacktop bike paths. Which is why the Mayans never used bikes to invade North America. Someone had to hack their way through the jungle first.


kensmithiscool wrote:

>

Any one find it interesting that Kent and Maureen Toodles have taken

to the newly created sock "linuxgal" without asking who linuxgal even

is in reference to the claim of being a alt.fan-b-l alum?

Teresita. They'll remember me from back in the Day.


Devils Advocaat wrote: >

Microevolution was and is recognised as variation within a species.

Macroevolution was and is recognised as variation at the species level

and above.

No, no, no.

It's all microevolution, all the time. Baby steps. For millions of years.


Meteorite Debris wrote:


Is Richard Dawkins an ape?


All human beings are great apes. Like it or lump it.


duke wrote:


Yet Paul's writings were reflective of being from God, and God never changes his

mind.

On the contrary, it is written:

GEN 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

EXO 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

PSS 135:14 For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.



duke wrote: >

Nobody has ever seen God.


On the contrary, it is written:

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


duke wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 06:37:24 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:57:28 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: >

Nobody can address time passage from the moment of death until "paradise". >

Jesus addressed it. He said less than twenty-four hours ("to-day"),

unless you think Jesus was telling a fib.


"To-day" could be billions of earth years to a dead man.


The good thief would go, "Can I catch the Trojans / Spartans game from up here Lord?"

"No, son, it's now billions of years later."

"You lying fuck, you told me I would be here TODAY!"


duke wrote:

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:02:58 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <goddess@fidemturbare.com wrote:


On 2012-Mar-16 21:34, linuxgal wrote:

>

Certainly lesbian sex is okay, since it isn't even mentioned in the

Bible until Paul writes a letter to the Church in Rome. >

That seems like a rational conclusion.


Perpetrators will find out one moment after their death if their assessment was

correct. But, by then, there is no turning back if the answer is "no"..


Where's the justice in sending Jewish lesbians to hell, when they didn't even have the book of Romans to make their assessment?


kensmithiscool wrote: >

Now that was a lightning-quick response! Teresita. How many other

spirits of you are there? Oh, I remember you. But what about the

new sock account? Afterall, Maureen is that intelligent enough to go

back in the archives and resurrect an old poster's handle.

Some people see Lucy in the Sky with Demonds. Other people see socks everywhere they look. There is nothing to be done for them.


ala wrote:



I renominate meowmix for kook of the month.

The only USENET kook named after a lesbian bar in Manhattan.


kensmithiscool wrote:

>But what about the

new sock account? Afterall, Maureen is that intelligent enough to go

back in the archives and resurrect an old poster's handle.

Belial took the role of an accuser, or divine prosecutor. Later the Hebrews would call this one the ha'satan. Islam would call him Iblis, the great Enemy of mankind. And in Christian theology, the title ha'satan would be shortened and become a proper name: Satan.


kensmithiscool wrote: On Mar 5, 3:14 pm, KabukiBob <fvrn...@yahoo.com wrote:


You aren't a Christian, Bob.



... says the spirit of the anti-Christ.


Of course, Bob is a Christian! Galatians 2:20


"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" -- Jesus


kensmithiscool wrote:

>

Why do you think BL

is still to this day looked to and sought by people all over the globe

(not just major media!) as the source, a one-stop for his expertise

on demons and exorcism from a Christian perspective :)

That is, of course, the chief mark of a cult leader, the claim that he's a one-stop for all your Christian needs, when he should be passing seekers through himself to stop only when they rest in Christ Jesus.


kensmithiscool wrote:


I thought BL came off with a whole lot of class...For BL to have kept

his composure on that one alone is admirable.


"Bob Dole likes Bob Larson," Bob Dole said.


TeeJay wrote:

I'm the dead ashes of mind spread across the universe in a head full of knotty pine.

Naughty Red Pine, presumably.



Dennes De Mennes wrote:

In article <eab70012-7c66-4a96-aa6b-249841098a20@ca1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

dantomel@comcast.net says...

|:|Because what they are doing is the very definition of "occupy".

|:|


they're like taoists, they are occupied in doing nothing.

Take good care of my business when I'm away every day!


J wrote:

>

You wouldn't be saying that in China. The Chinese love cats but the

feeling probably isn't mutual.


They love cats with a little soy sauce.


BroilJAB wrote:

Now add to this incredible stupidity, that

Dawkins just told a Black leader

"You ought to be proud to be an

African Ape".

The stupidity is on the side of anyone who would be offended by that. A sign of a niggardly education.


Harold Burton wrote:

In article <m50rl7h04lst230fupgdv7eumskgrmn7n8@4ax.com>,

John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net

wrote:


And the more stupid and uneducated a person is, the more likely he or

she is to vote Democrat.


"Ellie Mae, you best git in there and vote straight 'R' or uncle dad will beat the tarnation out of ya."


Tronscend wrote:

"BroilJAB" <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com skrev i melding

news:821430e8-7988-4f61-8d07-578466b74faf@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

I was shocked and dismayed to see

and hear Reverend Sharptongue calling

Gay folks 'DAMN FAGGITS'. Just shocked..


All right.


So you liked "300".


They named that movie "300" because that's how gay it was on a scale from one to ten.


Tim wrote: On Nov 24, 3:00 pm, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com wrote:


yes, that is the weakness in democracy when offered to an other wise

ignorant (no offense but let's face it the powers that be do keep the

US citizen pretty dumb and indoctrinated).


show of hands please class...


how many people want to go to disneyland for christmas?

Off season is good. Might actually get on a ride without much of a line (or queue for you British folks).


Wet Paper Bag wrote:

On Nov 28, 11:58 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com wrote:


But gorillas can really be civilized, even in church. Don't give them

an SUV though.


You could give them a Fred Flinstone car. That runs on bananas. And

talking about renewable fuel efficiency, there is room for a whole

family including the dog!

And they don't even have to put the dog on the roof like was the case with Romney's car.


KabukiBob wrote: >


Oh yeah, I remember you.

How are ya?


Moe

Great, other than the breast cancer thing.

Still trying to figure out who's who here.


KabukiBob wrote: >

True. But I do find it interesting that a scientific study indicates

that those males that profess to despise, dislike, or otherwise hate

gay males themselves have developing hard ons regarding images of gay

males being intimate.

Well that's easy to explain. It's simple misdirection. You see it a lot in the GOP, like in the case of former Idaho Senator Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, who had to hold a press conference with his "wife" and re-iterate that he was not gay because his constituents just wouldn't understand.


Though frankly I STILL don't know what a" metrosexual' is. :-)


Straight men who take care of themselves?


KabukiBob wrote:


Bobbie, I don't know who linuxgal is and, assuming I would use a sock

( which I have yet to do) that is most certainly not me.


I'm not particularly interested in proving I'm not someone's sock. Master Sun Tzu extolled the wisdom of allowing the opposing general to come to the wrong conclusions about one's own disposition of forces.


KabukiBob wrote:


Linuxgal, he tried that idiotic trick on me years ago. The Elmer

Gantry of exorcism is just showing off.

Back in the old days they thought the sun was a container for light, and the sky was made of metal, and the Earth stood on pillars, and that people with brain infirmities were possessed by devils.


BroilJAB wrote:

Each day, more news stories of Moslem nations

and even Hindu nations now removing permanently

their sub-culture of deviants. And death sentences

being handed out to atheists. Can you blame them.

BroilJAB approves of the Final Solution.


BroilJAB wrote:

Since the evolutionists tried to stealth

the faked claims for Darwinius and got

busted, they have lain low and bitterly

complaining that they were unmasked

by Creation Scientists.

Creation Science is like "The Best of Rush Limbaugh"

It's like "Central Intelligence"

Like "Nonworking Mother"

"Swift Justice"

You get the picture.


BroilJAB wrote:

>

>How did the ancient 'peasants' know this?

How do you know they knew that?


Mitchell Holman wrote: >

  God could kill the Pharoh and his army but 

not Hitler and his army.

It all started with the Hittites and their damn iron chariots, scared the crap out of El Shaddai:

Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.


Vurgil wrote:


Anyone claiming that Genesis, for example, must be literally true, or

even can be, literally true is 12 short of a dozen.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar, and in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim, and the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.

That part always woke me RIGHT up.


HVAC wrote: On 3/19/2012 2:54 PM, plainolamerican wrote: > >

Hawking regarded the concept of Heaven as a myth, stating that there

is "no heaven or afterlife" and that such a notion was a "fairy story

for people afraid of the dark."



He was just stating the obvious.


Except it isn't even dark.


tirebiter wrote:


Why was the canopy there originally? What was its purpose?

God could see the future and knew he would have to punish mankind with a flood someday so he went ahead and made the Earth anyway, with a canopy.

 It would have been more efficient to have created Noah in the 

beginning rather than Adam, but that's just me.


Mathias Sereno wrote: On 3/19/2012 12:37 PM, Dakota wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/rpkSc.gif >

I'm surprised and disappointed that I'd not thought of or heard of the

idea before.


The "T" stands for "Total Depravity".


Everybody knows that.


Well, then it would be "T.D." no?

Obviously it stands for Troll.


Jason wrote: >

Obama also once stated that Americans once built a railroad that crossed

the ocean. It has never happened.

If we did, then Caribou Barbie could have ridden a train to Russia from her house.


Jason wrote:

In article <wP2dnVPXysrc-vrSnZ2dnUVZ5sWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Mike Painter <md.painter@sbcglobal.net wrote:


On 3/18/2012 7:53 PM, Jason wrote:

<snip>

So which is it. Do you claim that God is not omnipotent or do you claim

that He is malevolent? It sounds like you claim God is malevolent.

God is omnipotent. God has the freewill that is needed to decide what to

focus on each day. >

If god is omnipotent then he knows what he is going to do and has no

choice and no freewill.


God does have freewill.


Then he doesn't know what he's going to do.


Jason wrote:

In article <XnsA01B4DB0E69Fnomailcomcastnet@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net wrote:


Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

news:Jason-1803121859130001@66-53-213-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com: > >

My beliefs are based on the Bible. > >

    You mean like the Canopy, which is not 

even mentioned in the Bible?


I learned about the canopy in a book that was written by a minister named

Henry Morris.


Second Canopians 13:9


BroilJAB wrote:

Soros was interviewed today and even he admitted

to astonishment that Obama is killing every oil well,

pipeline, and coal contract possible. The price of

gas will sink Obama against any opponent.

Not if it's Santorum and he makes a War on Smut the leading issue.


Jason wrote:


I disagree--God has vast knowledge and can make use of that knowledge to

solve various problems. I don't place God in a box.


My Linux box has vast knowledge and it makes use of that knowledge to solve various problems. Maybe I should worship it.


BroilJAB wrote:

Evolutionists are frantic to try and

damage control their latest fraud.

Verbing weirds language.


Jason wrote:


God does not have to follow your orders. He can do things the way he wants

to do things.


When's the last time he did something?


Jason wrote:


The Bible does indicate that God responds to prayers.


Really? He does?

Peyton Manning has told his agent to begin negotiations with the Denver Broncos, sources tell Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen of ESPN. In a TV appearance, Schefter said Manning "fully intends" to play in Denver, and has already discussed the parameters of a 5-year, $95 million contract with John Elway. Mortensen says that if the deal goes through, Denver will try to trade Tim Tebow.

God works in mysterious ways.



Jason wrote:


Some people do get healed. I have posted two different stories about

people that God has healed.


One time I had a headache. I prayed to God and took Advil, and my headache miraculously disappeared!



Joiner wrote:


Wrong. "Gay marriage" is headcase specific as sold to gullible

bleeding hearts, and therefore a special right.


It's just another ploy for homosexual child molesters to legally

gain access to child victims.

What state allows adults to marry children?


On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:55:31 -0400, HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:


  1. 19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even

a single dollar from a blog unless you buy a $300 business license.

Murder capital of the US, but damn if the city will let bloggers get away with breaking the law.


raven1 wrote:


What dressing would monsieur like for his word salad?

How about a deener meent M. Creosote? It's wahfer theen!


W.T.S. wrote:


Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from

complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we

have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting

abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public

expense.

Not just Christians, but any hardcore Libertarian. Do whatever you want, just not on my nickel.


Jahbulon wrote:


As you can see, Mormonism is expressly forbidden in the Book of Mormon. > Well, the polygamy part is, for sure.




BroilJAB wrote:

the long lie of evolutionism

The short lie of Young Earthism.


BroilJAB wrote:

As the Moslems eliminate deviants

so their culture renews itself.

That's like getting rid of all the pita bread and pan de sol and selling only Wonder Bread White.


BroilJAB wrote:


BroilJAB said,

Not one man in a million has ever

seen a volcano. How DID they know??

In our girl scout camp on Spirit Lake in 1979 we saw a volcano named Mt St Helens the summer before she blew.


Ray Fischer wrote:


Meanwhile the GOP pushed

through more tax cuts for the rich.


I wonder how they did that with a Donk President.


sully wrote:


What if Walmart had to build and maintain all the roads

and bridges to their stores in order to deliver their product

to sell, allow their employees to come to work, and their

clients to shop?

The Beautiful People ride their jet packs to the office. Only the little people use roads and cars.


fasgnadh wrote:


My prediction is that atheists will not read the book but will continue

their 'boring debate' with fundies, the dumbest form of religion,

because that gives them the sense of superiority they need.

We agree that the closer a religion adheres to its own book, the dumber it is.


duke wrote: >

We don't have higher and lower clergy.


Pitchers and catchers.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


• In Nixon's Administration the Plumbers were important.


Rimshot::



Patrick wrote:


I hope you are still around in November when

the decent people will kick your ass.


Not a good month for turkeys, local variety or Kenyan.


tirebiter wrote:


I thought only christians could go to heaven. There weren't any

christians back then.

That problem is inherent in every revealed religion. Hitchens gave the CoJCoLDS credit for solving it, when they baptize the dead.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


    You complain about "socialist government programs" 

but cannot name a single one you object to?


Certainly not the military.


raven1 wrote:



And you were still wrong: "apologetics" and "apology" both come from

the same Greek word, "apologia". If you don't know, don't post!

Don't forget "apoplexy" too.


raven1 wrote:


By watching a volcano? Really, you're too stupid for words.

I always have coffee when I watch Volcano. Everybody knows that!


BroilJAB wrote:


Obama had a sweet graft kickback of million$

on plans to dump ammoniated sludge into the

nations schools.

At least the free cheese we got from Reagan was palatable.


tirebiter wrote: >

Most christians I talk with about the rapture, say their physical

bodies will be taken. How does that work? Taken to where? Outer

space?

Up into the air. Presumably not above 17,000 feet, or they're gonna need oxygen tanks.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Jason wrote:


God is a awesome God and has amazing amounts of power.


Amazing amounts, is that more or less than vast amounts? And by how much does it fall short of "all powerful" ?



Jason wrote:


I don't remember that sex slaves were mentioned in that scripture. What

scripture are you referring to?


Read carefully:

JUDGES 21:

[10] And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.

[11] And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.

[12] And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.

[13] And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.

[14] And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabesh-gilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.


Jason wrote:


Yes, our physical bodies will be dead but our spirit bodies will live

forever in heaven or in hell.


If we live forever in hell why do they call it the second death? Why does Jesus say "fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell" ?


Warhol wrote:


The Blue Oyster Cult wear the Dejallaba... And its true not one stone

will remain on another... and nowhere to run or hide from the wrath of

the sons of Hassan

Hassan CHOP!


ala wrote:


"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk wrote in message

news:qu7d7ql7wiv$.1t9n3xbpbeu64.dlg@40tude.net...


Maybe the nude model they used was Rosei O'Donnell?


there's a market for everything in the US

Wouldn't Ipecac be more efficient?


Jonathan wrote: >

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, a proof of free will

is in whether we had the freedom to NOT do something.

The only proof of free will is to go into the future, see what you actually do, then come back here and not do it. But that's not possible, so no proof of free will is possible.


landis.ragon@attgobal.net wrote:


And I bet Jason will be watching from Heaven, cheering with each

scream of pain. >

Jason's own Bible says different.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.



Jason wrote:


The Jews have a teaching about this. If children die before the age of

accoutibility--they will go to heaven.


Naturally this teaching does not appear anywhere in Sacred Scripture.


BroilJAB wrote:

Christ did not bear the sins of all mankind, for some

there are who "die in their sins" (John 8:21)

On the contrary, it is written (1 John 2:2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Ken Springer wrote: On 3/21/12 5:35 PM, Antares 531 wrote:

What was this black kid doing inside a gated community?


Is there some reason a black kid *can't* be inside a gated community?


Isn't prison a gated community?


Archangel Michael wrote:


But first, you have to please God, you have to EARN your place.

On the contrary, it is written (Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.


Andrew wrote:


Such a *code* is found in DNA, and without which there would

be no life on our little planet. There is a Creator. There is a God.

And what an amazing thing that is, the DNA code. The fossil record has gaps, but we can compare DNA and trace humanity's family tree back to where we and chimpanzees went our separate ways.


Brad Guth wrote:


Arctic ice thickness has never been thinner, as well as covering less

area.


Last year I couldn't get up to Artist Point on the Mt Baker Highway because it was snowed in all year. This year there's another record-breaking snowfall and it doesn't look like I'll get up there this time either. In a few years from now Newsweek will do a cover story, "Why Republicans Are To Blame For The New Ice Age (And How To Survive It)".


duke wrote:


Babies are human beings from the moment of conception to natural death..


Only when God breathed his spirit into his little mud pie did Adam become a living soul.


default wrote:


I remember one of the nuns lecturing us about the inquisition and the

political popes of the middle ages, and how that was "all behind us

now."

When the clergy talks about behinds these days, beware.


Mitchell Holman wrote:



 These people remind me of the tornado victims in the 

South, thanking god for sparing them and not addressing

why that same god allowed the tornado to hit them in

the first place.

Funny how all the tornadoes and shit seem to cluster in the Bible Belt.


David Fritzinger wrote:



Thanks! Now I have to get that image out of my mind, and it isn't a

pleasant image...

Someone photoshopped Rosie's mug on Kalid Sheik Mohammad's hairy frame.

  I puked in my mouth a little bit.


Mitchell Holman wrote:



   If god performed a miracle on her leg why didn't

he perform one on her dying child?


I have a dog that performs what he thinks is a miracle on your leg.


duke wrote:


Of course, that was the man Jesus talking.


duke, American - American


It's remarkable to see alleged Catholics reveal the heresy of neo-Nestorianism. They better grease up the torture racks in the lower levels of the Castel Sant'Angelo.


Jason wrote: >

No--I just used it to prove that even lots of non-Christians also believe

that when a person dies that their spirit bodies continue to live--in

heaven or in hell.


It's a universal delusion that arises from the paradox of trying to use consciousness to contemplate a future state of non-being.


MarkA wrote:


Oooo....I just got a new car. I may have to have that made into a bumper

sticker for it. My old one had a mock "Jesus Fish", that said "Linux".

I'm sure that 90% of people who saw it had no idea what it meant.

We like it that way. I laugh at viruses and adware, all the little Windows executable files that end up in my cache with nowhere to go.


BroilJAB wrote:

The Seal Murder Teams MUST

be handed over to Moslem Clerics

for due justice.

Jihadis are like king salmon. Life is good until the SEALs show up.


Mulligan wrote:


Perhaps the most imaginative interpretation of an image on the cover

of Sgt. Pepper is that if you hold a mirror across the middle of the

words "LONELY HEARTS" written across the center of the bass drum


Red Rum.


Joshua Israel Gemmell wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:35:33 -0500, Joshua Israel Gemmell <sunwalker1324@yahoo.com wrote:


correction:


If it was the barren lands of Salt Lake Valley where the kingdom of

God was driven, or the wilderness of western Scotland where the

Guardians of the Holy Grail were driven, or the ancient lands of

Zarahemla in Guatemala, all these lands [became producers of] milk and

honey, for the production of bread and has remain great.

Zarahemla was in upstate New York. The "narrow neck" is in Ontario.


Joshua Israel Gemmell wrote:

The "land of Israel" has always been synonymous with "the land of milk

and honey."

Yeah, honey to the tune of $3 billion in US aid every year. Nice work if you can get it.


Nick Youngh wrote:


Most important the BoM is not situated in America, but in the Middle

East

1 Nephi 18:23 And we arrived at .........."the promissed lsnd"(Israël)

The first land of Bountiful was probably around Yemen. The bulk of the BoM is set in and around upstate New York, where Joe Smith Jr. lived.


Brad Guth wrote: On Mar 21, 2:59 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com wrote: Brad Guth wrote: >

Arctic ice thickness has never been thinner, as well as covering less

area.

Last year I couldn't get up to Artist Point on the Mt Baker Highway

because it was snowed in all year. This year there's another

record-breaking snowfall and it doesn't look like I'll get up there this

time either. In a few years from now Newsweek will do a cover story,

"Why Republicans Are To Blame For The New Ice Age (And How To Survive It)".


What does seasonal snow that's always fully melted by summer have to

do with ice-caps?


That's what I'm saying, this snow isn't melting before the next year's snow hits. We've got an honest-to-God glacier kicking in up there.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


   Everytime Jason is pressed for an answer about the Flood (where 

the water came from, where it went, how all the lifeforms on earth

made it to the Ark, what they ate, how they got back again) he

retreats to his usual "Well, God must have made a miracle at that

point" defense.


When you play a game with a dog, and you cheat him, and don't give him a dog biscuit for doing a trick, that dog goes away and doesn't want to play anymore. And that dog is smarter'n some of the troll-feeders around here.


Jason wrote:


When a woman strips off her clothing on stage in a strip bar--there is

something wrong with that issue. It's sinful and in the 1800's was

probably illegal in most cities in America.


If God wanted women to be naked we would have been born that way.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:


Josephus wasn't even born until 4 years after Jesus was allegedly

crucified. So what's your point?


My brother was born 4 years after JFK was allegedly assassinated. Someday after the apocalypse they will find his fifth grade school report on Kennedy and that will constitute the same sort of "proof".


Joshua Israel Gemmell wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:46:03 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


Joshua Israel Gemmell wrote:

The "land of Israel" has always been synonymous with "the land of milk

and honey."

Yeah, honey to the tune of $3 billion in US aid every year. Nice work

if you can get it.


The $3 billion is not for food, but Military Assistance; which is only

unstable since we cause the nations around Israel to hate Israel.

Israel is the fourth largest arms exporter in the world. They earn $7.4 billion dollars selling arms around the globe, including to our "friends" in Beijing who lend us the money to give to Israel in the first place. Maybe Israel could keep $3 billion of their own weapons in house (because the nations around Israel hate them), and then the circle of bullshit can come to an end.


MarkA wrote:


On a more somber not, I have read that there are a large number of

compromised Linux systems that are part of the botnets out there. I hope

mine isn't some of them.

Not mine. Puppy Linux is a live CD that runs in RAM (so I can take the CD out of the tray). Every boot is a clean boot. All the extra installed packages come from the community after being vetted, and most of these (like Midnight Commander, or Xchat) I've been running for years.



Nick Youngh wrote:


Lehi and his sons traveled alongside a big river. Probably the Nile,

which flooded into the Red Sea by the Canal of Pharao Necho II. When

the river went South-east they came in the feltile swamps of the Blue

Nile, noeadays called the breadbasket of the Middle East.

This doesn't work. The Nile dumps into the Med, not the Red Sea.

1 Nephi 2:8 And it came to pass that he called the name of the river, Laman, and it emptied into the Red Sea; and the valley was in the borders near the mouth thereof.


BroilJAB wrote:

Atheists try their best to hide it, but they

must rely on Spontanous Generation to

jumpstart their fantasy Evolution.

Maybe the Earth was jumpstarted by turtle spores from outer space.

And before you launch a nasty retort, it's turtle spores all the way back.


BroilJAB wrote:

Today, Obama ordered the Seal Assassins

to break into Moslem houses and continue to

BURN Korans.

What was the sequence number of the executive order?


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:


The high gas is directly attributable to Commodity speculation---made

possible in larger degree by the Long-term control of Government by

republicans

Donks control the Senate, the White House, and the Media, but no, that's not enough for them.


BroilJAB wrote:

Today Limbaugh played a tape of Obama

grandmother ADMITTING that she was in the

hospital in Kenya when Obama was born.

Little wonder that Obama went to Hawaii

and ordered the killing.

She had to say that, because if she told the truth, she was afraid Rush Limbaugh would call her a slut.


BroilJAB wrote:

We MUST have a UN world tax on

gasoline. It's the ONLY way to save

the planet.

I thought Jesus was the Savior.


Jonathan wrote:


The Pope was reportedly incensed, and it was all downhill

for Galileo from there~


He who laughs last, laughs best.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


• what they need is to go back to the way the Church was set up by Pope

Peter I. To do this they have got to admit that Pope Gregory VII made a

colossal financial mistake in 1079CE when he instituted the priestly vow

not to have sex with females.

That vow seems to have a big built-in caveat. Sort of like, "I promise not to have cocktails with water in them."


Uirgil wrote:

In article

<512feebd-f6ad-4888-9aae-b8e3eee4de74@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,

BroilJAB <DesignDenier@wmconnect.com

wrote:


And the IDiot deviants to HELL


Where all such IDiots as BroilJAB deserve to go, but unfortunately,

there is no hell to sent them to.

No one deserves eternal conscious torment. That's a punishment so far out of whack with any possible crime it makes a mockery of the concept of justice.


Jeanne Douglas wrote: On Mar 22, 11:03 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com wrote:

Hollywood movie star Kirk Cameron

is doing superb work. Join him live.


Kirk Cameron?? Seriously? A movie star?????


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Doogie Howser wore an S.S. trench coat in Starship Troopers.


Jason wrote:


The excess water related to Noah's Flood is no longer on this planet.


Gosh, do you think it evaporated?



KabukiBob wrote:


Kensmithiscool  ( now in his Google email version) is OC Bob Larson

pretending not to be Bob Larson. His posts of the recent few weeks

alone show signs of Larson's NPD ( and whom else would praise Bob

Larson and brag about his monetary possessions other than Bob Larson?)

Thanks for the round-up. I kind of got dragged over to a.f.b-l from the crossposts in alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel, where I was in the 1997-2001 time frame. As for monetary possessions...

HEB 11:

[24] By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

[25] Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

[26] Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.


BroilJAB wrote:


Evolution is the air supply to atheism.

Once that is choked off, atheism dies.

Well roll your counter-evidence bowling ball down the lane and let's see if you can knock some evolutionary pins down.


HVAC wrote: On 3/22/2012 12:32 PM, Warhol wrote: >

Did you know you have all breathed in at least a possible 1 particle

of Plutonium? >

So what are you saying? That THESE are the reasons for your insanity? >

Did YOU know? >

Do I care? > > >

Thats is the problem... you don't care while people die... Hypocrite.



Hundreds of thousands of people die each and every day.


Forty thousand men and women every day Like Romeo and Juliet Redefine happiness Another 40000 coming everyday We can be like they are. Come on baby. Don't fear the Reaper


duke wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:56:53 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: >

Babies are human beings from the moment of conception to natural death..


Only when God breathed his spirit into his little mud pie did Adam

become a living soul.


Yep, but Adam was never a person. A-dam means mankind, or something like that.

Ah, I see, only the Pope is infallible, not the Bible.


duke wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:11:36 +0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

Of course, that was the man Jesus talking. >

duke, American - American >

It's remarkable to see alleged Catholics reveal the heresy of

neo-Nestorianism. They better grease up the torture racks in the lower

levels of the Castel Sant'Angelo.


Ah, you don't understand.

Then I'll explain it to you. Jesus is fully God and fully man, and both natures are in hypostatic union. Nestorianism is the heresy that precipitates Christ's human part out from his divine part. Protestants resort to it when they try to denegrate the BVM and say he only gave birth to Christ's human part.


Warhol wrote:


The Universe is a Big Clock.


Yep. You clock in, you clock out. Collect your pink slip and gone.


BroilJAB wrote:

One of the worlds busiet netpages is

RUSH.

Geddy Lee, Neil Peart and Alex Lifeson kick ass and take names.


Jim Austin wrote:


Among believers, there is too much crossfire of damnation threats to

make any safe bets.

I take Friday off in case Allah is the creator. I also take Saturday off in case Yahweh is the creator. And I take Sunday off in case Jesus is the creator.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


   Funny how nudity is only a problem where it is 

banned, no?


Who said lawmakers are geniuses?

"A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control," the London Telegraph reported last November. As a consequence, "producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim [that water hydrates] and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict."


Mike Painter wrote: On 3/23/2012 9:53 PM, linuxgal wrote: Zacharias Mulletstein wrote: >

And a deaf person will never learn kitty language. >

Meow what? Meow I want to go out? Meow I want milk? What?


Actually all forms of meow translate into one simple phrase.

"I am the master, serve me."

Make a cat speak dog. Cover with gasoline, throw match. WOOF!



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



Yes. Dogs do too. Pantera always puts his head down and whimpers when

I'm sad.

He's going, "Master is focused on his own problems, and that means he's forgotten to set out my food again. What a bummer."


Smiler wrote:


I would remind him that he (presumably) has no qualms about a socialized

police force, a socialized fire service, a socialized justice system, a

socialized road network, socialized armed forces and anything else his

taxes pay for.

And unless he's got deep pockets, a socialized K-12 education system.



Andrew W wrote:

"fasgnadh" <fasgnadh@yahoo.com wrote in message

news:a7rbr.4980$%E2.2507@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com On 25/03/2012 6:12 AM, Zacharias Mulletstein wrote: >

"Liberals are VERMIN" <rander3127@gmail.com wrote in message

news:XnsA02097AE3C190446@94.75.214.39...

Hell, being an invention of the Christians

You mean there was no Hell till Christians invented it? >

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA >


Hell is just a state of being.

I'm thinking Utah.


BroilJAB wrote:

Latest Pew Poll shows Obama losing

in a landslide to Mitt Romney, who

even this week has won Obama's

'home state' of Illinois.

Party primaries don't mean shit. Pat Robertson carried Washington State in 1988. Washington State.


Andrew W wrote:


Rockets don't push against anything. That's not how they work.

They use the kick-back principle, like the kick-back from a shotgun.

Educate yourself.

If you sit on an ice sled with a pile of bricks and throw the bricks fast enough, you can start moving at quite a clip. It's simply the law of the conservation of linear momentum.


Andrew wrote:

"Budikka666" wrote in message news:345ecede-084b-4570-a5b6-71ad6ec62af6@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...



Can you explain the -origin- of the specified information in code

format that is in DNA, apart from a Super Intelligent causation??

Copy errors code for altered proteins. If the mangled protein helps the individual have more offspring, those copy errors are retained. If not, they are discarded, baby with the bathwater. DNA sequences represent millions of years of botched copy jobs that were serendipitously beneficial.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

You can look all day, but you

won't find God in a mosque and you won't find Jesus Christ in a Cathedral.

Try looking in prison. Everyone seems to find Jesus there.


Nancy Rudins wrote:


I still have my dual boot because I like to play Flight Simulator.

Other than that, I don't have any other use for Windoze.

I'm coming to you folks old school, from Windows 98 SE. That's harder than you think, because this computer never ran Win98 and so HP never created a network driver that will work for that OS. Why do this? Because I can back up the whole installation in about a minute, once a day, and tuck the backups into a tiny corner of an external drive.


Warhol wrote: On Mar 25, 4:27 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com wrote: >

If you sit on an ice sled with a pile of bricks and throw the bricks

fast enough, you can start moving at quite a clip. It's simply the law

of the conservation of linear momentum.


you will start moving because of the medium, in this case water

waves... but there above there is no medium and only vacuum... I defy

anyone here to prove this little fact wrong... in vacuum there is

nothing to push against...

No, water waves have nothing to do with it. I said an ice sled.


Jahbulon wrote:

linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in

news:ytydnf8m3da6qPLSnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com:


Where does one find this tithing commanded in the Book of Mormon,


3 Nephi 24:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,

that there may be meat in my house; and prove me now herewith,

saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the windows

of heaven, and pour you out a blessing that there shall not

be room enough to receive it.


That says 10% pre-tax?

That's what "all the tithes" means

If you tithe on net rather than gross, then God isn't getting his full cut kicked upstairs. The next step after that is he sends Furio to kneecap ya.


Nick Youngh wrote:


Mormon doomprophet Lehi was in my opinion Biblical doomprophet

Jeremiah

Naw, Jeremiah was told by God to buy some property in Jerusalem to fall back on after the first sack by Nebbie. Lehi was told by God to get the hell out and never come back.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 21:51:18 -0700 (PDT), Dino <whatever@homemail.com> wrote:


On Mar 24, 11:06 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote: >

Obama "wants" nothing of the sort.

http://www.dividedstates.com/obama-wants-high-gas-prices/


BWWHAHAHAHAAH


Oh, it must be true. You read it on the innernets.


Ray Fischer wrote: >

Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.


Those who cannot remember history are doomed to vote for Democrats.


I suppose everyone knows, now, why Congress called it a health care "bill".


Obama has a new plan to make sure crime never pays: he's going to nationalize it!


Dino wrote: On Mar 25, 9:20 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com wrote: JTEM wrote:

You're a hypocrite. Obama sucks ass, absolutely,

but he sucks ass because he's continuing Bush's

policies, the exact same policies that "Conservatives"

like you cheered for 8 years.

True, Obama is eliminating the home mortgage tax deduction, but it

shouldn't impact the average American living in the new communes.


Just like a Liberal, thinks he or she can speak for the average

American.


Learn the difference between Liberalism and Liberatarianism.

Liberalism: Protect animals, trees, government programs, terrorists, dictators and murderers while killing babies, seniors, and jobs.



Dino wrote:

In fact, it's in SPITE of Obama's policies, that the production went

up.

Thanks in most part to private and state drilling.

Obama had ZERO to do with any increase.


Obama gets no credit from Pubs when production goes up. Bush gets no credit from Donks when prices go down.

I think it's all just Partisan Politics.


Warhol wrote:


"RADIO-WAVES cannot travel through the empty medium of Space -- All

audio and video from Apollo-11, ISS, The Shuttle, are FAKE FAKE FAKE"


So now we have an aether believer.


Alex W. wrote:


Given the nature of

the human -- and particularly the male -- mind, this is really a

catch-all precept guaranteed to result in guilt and expiation in

everybody bar the dead.

Which makes God a petulant child who blames his own creation for their shortcomings.



Al-Maghili wrote:

>

"Allah revealed Islam in order that humanity could be governed according to

it. Unbelief is darkness and disorder. So the unbelievers, if they are not

suppressed, create disorder.

As opposed to the order of a suicide bomber who blows up a marketplace.

 If Islam is the religion of peace, I'd hate to meet the religion of war.


Greegor wrote: >

Kent and Maureen may as well be joined at the hip.

Several have called Maureen Kent's excrement eater.


I don't remember this Greegor from the old days, but I hope he doesn't have some sort of ministry.

EPH 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.


KabukiBob wrote: >

Seeing as his radio show has been off the air for more than a decade,

idiot....

In Seattle, Bob's former outlet 1050 KBLE-AM got bought up by Mother Angelika's EWTN network and became all Popery all the time.



MarkA wrote:


Don thinks that without government, everyone would just naturally live

together in peace and harmony. The fact that that has never actually

happened, in all of human history, does not seem to impress him much.


Master Lao Tzu said, "Governing a large country is like frying a small fish. You spoil it with too much poking."


duke wrote:

>

There is no bigger loser than America for putting a Kenyan muslim into office.


I don't know what you're talking about Duke. Right now we have a Hawaiian Christian in office.


Tony Dragon wrote:


I seem to recall that Francis has posted that he/she is not a Freemason.

I seem to recall that Tricky Dicky said that he was not a crook.


Nick Youngh wrote:


People who believe that the BoM was situated in the new world should

not have other explanations on 1 Nephi than the people who believe in

an old world location.

And yet the story ended with the plates being buried on Hill Cumorah in New York State, a decidedly New Worldish location.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:



Deregulation of Wall street, investment banking, commodities trading,

foriegn policy that insults oil producing nations, foriegn policy that

threatens other oil consuming nations


All of the above were policy screw-ups by Bush and the Republican

congress.

Average price in the US is north of $3.90 per gallon, so what's Obama's policy screw-up? Three years in, blaming Bush doesn't fly.


BroilJAB wrote:

LUV that RUSHHHHH

My favorite Rush platter is Grace Under Pressure.


BroilJAB wrote:

Never tolerate an atheist near you

or near children.

Great idea! Let them serve as altar boys so they'll be safe.


BroilJAB wrote:

The Seal Team Child Murderer has apparently been

flown safely out of Afghan and already declared insane,

and so never to face justice. The hearts of the Moslem

people bleed each time Obama orders more killings,

more Koran burnings.

A man in an Afghan army uniform has shot and killed two soldiers at a Nato base in southern Afghanistan, Nato officials have said. We're still waiting for Karzai's apology.


John Locke wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:49:12 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno <atjoebruno0@gmail.com wrote:


I think they are confusing and incomplete.

They don't offer all the options the old system did. >

Get a newsreader and a usenet account ! Xnews is free or there's

Agent version 6 which costs a few bucks but is, in my opinion, a

better reader.

Mozilla Seamonkey for text (all platforms), Pan for binaries (under Linux) or Grabit for XP. Xnews is the only think I can get working under Win98 for binaries.


Eugene Griessel wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:17:55 -0700 (PDT), Warhol <molarh@hotmail.com> wrote:


To report Warhol to the Belgian Police please use:

https://www.ecops.be/webforms/Default.aspx?Lang=EN


Holocaust denial and anti-semitism is a crime in Belgium,


Eugene L Griessel


  To err is human, to moo bovine.

To oink porcine.


John Baker wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT), Ray Fischer Buggers Little Boys <RayFischerFuksLittleBoys@yahoo.com wrote:



And in August of 2008, when Dubya was in charge, the national average

price of gas was $4.11 per gallon, with peaks of $4.73 per gallon in

some west coast markets.


I remember that. Bush gave everyone $600 in free money. So we pooled it together, and blew the whole $1200 on a trip to the Redwoods and shit. Eureka, gas was $4.75.


John Harshman wrote: Steven Bornfeld wrote: On 3/25/2012 5:11 PM, John Harshman wrote: Wretch Fossil wrote:

NASA produced Moon Hoax >

What hoax? If we went to the moon, why not pick up rocks there? If we

didn't go to the moon, how was it possible to fake the whole thing? > >

   I think he thinks the moon is fake.


It's only a paper moon?

We only see the front. Maybe the back of the moon is all two by fours and shit.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:27:46 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying. >

Those who cannot remember history are doomed to vote for Democrats.


You bet


who saved this nations ass in the 30's?


Franklin Delano Roosevelt = New Deal

Barack Hussein Obama = Raw Deal



Kumbaya Redflower wrote:

>

I think you must be right. After all, Mohammed was actually Abe

Lincoln, too!

>

"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." -- Abraham Lincoln



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote: >


You think about how hot Hell will be.

Somewhere on the Innertubes I saw proof that heaven was hotter than hell, based on the scripture in Isaiah that talks about the light of seven suns being in heaven.


Theo Bekkers wrote:



It's pretty unlikely that a Catholic would even posses a copy of the

King James Bible. that Bible has about seven books less than the Douay

Bible, which is used by Catholics.


Not true. The deuterocanonicals were also translated and published in the earliest editions of the Authorized Version (also called the KJV). But in 1644, the Long Parliament directed that the deuts should not be used in the Church of England liturgy, so the books were set aside in a separate section called the Apocrypha, and eventually dropped from modern editions altogether.

The curious can find them here:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html


default wrote:



The probability is on par with finding Noah's arc.

I thought Noah's arc was the rainbow.


Jason wrote:



I seem to recall that scripture is about evil people trying to influence

Christians. I believe the scripture is warning Christians to ignore such

people.


If you ignore people, how can they be saved? Is it not written (Matthew 28:19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost ... ?


Jason wrote:



If it is a planet, why it is not listed on the list of planet that we were

forced to memorize in a science class.



Did you memorize that Pluto was a planet? Oops!


Caranx latus wrote:


Try Matthew 4:1-11. Satan took Jesus to a high mountain, but Jesus

originally went to the wilderness.

And from that high mountain Satan showed Jesus all the nations of the world. The Earth was flat in those days. It was before Eru Iluvatar bend the world into a ball and set the Undying Lands at the end the Straight Road which only elves could sail.


Jason wrote:


But it it's going to be so great why aren't you kicking off now? Why

wait for years down here with heart disease and kidney issues?


I am helping people while waiting for my new spirit body. Paul done that.

He also had some sort of medical problem but kept working until he died.


Your ministry sucks. Where did you get ordained, Billy-bob's Seminary and Fish Tackle, in the strip mall between Teriyaki Time and Tattoo Alley?


HVAC wrote:


Germans are a gutter people. Just listen to their language!

Anyone that speaks like that MUST be mentally disturbed.


German for "Beware of Dog": harkentabarkin German for courting: parkanensparken German for painful methane discharge: Ahfartenansmarten German for three blondes in a convertible: Farfromthinkin German for bra: Holdsemfromfloppin. German for Constipation: Farfrompoopin German for virgin: Guttentight


Nick Youngh wrote:


Probavly burried round 1830 by Luman Walter, who hired JS as a ,money

digger. What name had this hill before the Mormons got invilved ?

Probably none. In Washington State we have names for mountains, but hills are a dime a dozen.


Smiler wrote:


Exactly the same applies to universal health care. No enterprise can

function properly with an unhealthy workforce.

Having a lawyer reform health care is like having Rod Blagojevich head up an ethics in government task force.


MarkA wrote:



Deciding that you're going to be abstinent until marriage is fine when

you're sitting in your church youth group meeting, but when that special

someone gives you that special smile, it becomes a whole different story....


The eyes have it.


Jason wrote:



Yes, I do recall learning about the history of a typical river while in

college. I seem to recall that a river starts out as being very strait but

over time bends and meanders. During Noah's flood, I believe the river

below Grand Canyon was mostly strait but over the years has developed

bends and meanders.



Rivers in uplands run straight. Rivers on the flats meander. The Colorado was a river on the flats, but the land rose over millions of years and became uplands. The river retained its meandering course. Same situation happened on the stretch of the Yakima River south of Ellensburg, Washington.


Smiler wrote:



I don't know if it still applies, but when I was there in the 70s, Ireland

was completely 'dry' for 2 hours each Sunday. The pubs were all closed for

the 'Church Hour.'


And that was the longest two hours of the week.


On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:51:42 -0700 (PDT), Dino <whatever@homemail.com

wrote:


In fact, many of our strongest world leaders believe in God.

Many scientist believe in God.

Educators, philosophers, and many others from all walks of life are

very strong and believe in God.

Fallacy of argument from authority.


Mitchell Holman wrote:



   That means God is also OK with incest, since he 

meant for the children of Adam and Eve to be having

sex with each other.

Abraham married his half-sister, and God was okay with that.


Jason wrote:


God is alive and God created life on this earth. Life came from Life and

that complies with the Law of Biogenesis.



So if God is alive, and life only comes from life....where does God come from?


Jason wrote: >

Or a smart thing to do since I don't vote for democrats since so many of

them are advocates of socialism.


The difference between free-market capitalism and centrally-planned liberal socialism is plenty.


Dino wrote:


Difference between liberal and conservative.


If Ronald Reagan farted, liberals would scream that he is destroying

the Ozone Layer.

If Obama farted, liberals would praise him for producing natural gas

Invent a way to power appliances directly from the earth's magnetic field and libs would ban the technology for affecting the navigation system of the common moth.



Jason wrote:


It is free will since God has granted us with free will.


That's not what Paul said in Romans 9:

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"



Jason wrote:


God decided to do it a different way. One preacher believes the reason he

done it that way was to cleanse the planet. The next time, God will use

fire to clease the planet.


Yep, about five billion years from now Sol goes red-giant and swallows the Earth. Jesus ought to return by then.


Jason wrote:


I explained it before--life coming from life. It complies.


You just push the abiogenesis problem back a stage. Who was God's daddy?



Jason wrote:


It can't--but it can have what is called artificial intelligence--like

DATA on Star Trek--the next generation.


This is reality Greg.



duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:19:03 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


    • Earl is the #1 RCC apologist. If the pope said black was white, Earl

would say "that's sbsoliutely 100% right".


The Pope is not infallible on colors.


Seems to me Galileo was hassled by the Pope over his claim of sunspots.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>
>

"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in message

news:s7KdnWCCxZmvi-zSnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>
>

You think about how hot Hell will be.

>

Somewhere on the Innertubes I saw proof that heaven was hotter than

hell, based on the scripture in Isaiah that talks about the light of

seven suns being in heaven.

>

The seven suns are hundreds of miles away, so They don't burn you in

Heaven!

You don't get it. Sunlight is a melange, a sort of bell curve centered on the green frequency. That means there's a crapload of infrared (heat) on the lower end of that bell curve. Crank up the intensity of light (number of photons) seven fold, and you crank up the heat by a corresponding amount.


ala wrote:



This sounds so clever til we remember that back then you could not tell

gender just by name


I mean as far as I could tell Hosea was a chick cos it ended in A

Hebrew names, that rule doesn't work so good. Joshua. Abba.


Jason wrote:

In article <wsGdnULiCeWqtezSnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote:

I explained it before--life coming from life. It complies. >

You just push the abiogenesis problem back a stage. Who was God's daddy?


The Bible does not state the answer to that question.



At least the Mormons solved it: It's daddies all the way back.


Jason wrote:

In article <wsGdnUfiCeU2uezSnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote: >

God is alive and God created life on this earth. Life came from Life and

that complies with the Law of Biogenesis. > >

So if God is alive, and life only comes from life....where does God come

from?


The Bible does not state how God came to be God. The best guess that I

have heard was that God came from another planet or other dimension that

was filled with people that had spirit bodies.


Okey doke. All you know is we're wrong and you're right.


Joe Bruno wrote:


Only homosexual perverts are interested in men's asses.

Er, womenfolk too. Ever seen Keanu's little tush?


Jason wrote:


It may happen before the end of 2012--are you ready? The Mayans had a

calendar that ended the last day of 2012. Why did they do it?


Maybe for the same reason we used to represent a year with only two bytes. Planned obsolescence. No one expected UNIVAC to last until 2001.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:

In article <soadnYXPFu8bt-zSnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

The Pope is not infallible on colors. >

Seems to me Galileo was hassled by the Pope over his claim of sunspots.


    • Galileo was fortunate that he was over the RCC's max permitted age

(65) for Holy Office of the Inquisition torture.

See? The Catholic Church isn't so bad after all!



KabukiBob wrote:


He doesn't. He's a little woman and child abusing bastard from alt

child protective services who whined about ho baldy he was treated by

CPS for abusing a seven year old girl for two years, then when no one

there believed his " I'm a victim" con, he started going after people

there. That's where he met Kent and the tick has been latched onto

Kent ever since.

Thanks. Just wanted to know what he had to do with Mr. Larson. And the answer is, nada.


ala wrote:


That's why he introduced it, so government would have a mechanism to

drive unnecessary speculation out of the market.

Is the definition of "unnecessary" left up to the regulator, as in, "I know it when I see it"  ?


Jahbulon wrote:


When they get washed in the Mormon temple Endowment Ceremony the men are

together with no clothes.


Just like the showers in boot camp, or gym, or prison. But why would that be a worse problem than co-ed nudity?


JTEM wrote:


What if Obama had banned private jets instead of inflicting

suffering on the working poor and middle class?

Why, then the working poor and middle class who assemble those jets would be non-working poor.


BroilJAB wrote:

Obama blasted Hispanics in Florida as 'crooks'

and 'mean-spirited' as he sought to spin the news

of Trayvon killed in an attempted murder of Hispanic.

Hispanics in Florida are fair game for Donks, they're Cuban exiles and vote funny.


BroilJAB wrote:

Excellent points, Dave.

And Science has confirmed both the

location and the severity (perpetual)

of Hell --the earth's interior.

Kind of hard to breathe down there. A person might die.


BroilJAB wrote:

Obama assured an Oklahoma crowd Thursday he favored oil drilling.

They

laughed for 5 minutes. He is on the road to publicize the Obama

Doctrine, which

states that windmills and Green Algae will lower gas prices.

Don't forget to check your tire pressure too.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:17:20 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:


According to that same office, Clinton's budgets led to

record-setting deficits.


Oh--then how did Dumbya get handed a $300 billion surplus?


He beat Al Gore fair and square, 5 votes to 4.


Patrick wrote:


For the most part, the Catholic Church's inquisitions didn't actually

execute anybody. Instead, they would find the accused guilty or not guilty

of heresy, then turn them over to the government for punishment.


Sort of like the CIA never actually tortured anyone, just renditioned them to some shithole country ending with the letters "-stan" where they boil people's limbs in canola oil.


JohnN wrote: On Friday, March 23, 2012 2:05:59 AM UTC-4, linuxgal wrote: John Harshman wrote: >

And if you're going to make fake moon rocks, why use rocks from

Mars?

Because you can get Mars rocks in Antarctica.


Why did NASA get its Mars rocks from Antarctica? Aren't American made Mars rocks good enough?

Budget cuts. We also get our Amurrican flags from China.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>

Athiests hate God. There is no question of this.

They also hate Yosemite Sam. Hate the rackafrackin' mo fo.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:


Where did Jung get his degree in evolutionary biology?

Jale.


duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:46:57 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:19:03 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote: >

    • Earl is the #1 RCC apologist. If the pope said black was white, Earl

would say "that's sbsoliutely 100% right".

The Pope is not infallible on colors. >

Seems to me Galileo was hassled by the Pope over his claim of sunspots.


You need to go back and read your astronomy textbook again.

My bad. The Sun is really a flawless glass container into which God, on Day Four, poured the light He created on Day One.


Alex W. wrote:


Secondly, in anatomical terms the male and female nipple are the

same -- so if a woman's nipple is deemed sexual and offensive,

then so should a male nipple.

Beauty rolls out from utility. Nipples on men are about as useful as balls on a priest.


Andrew W wrote:


Each car's onboard computer will communicate with the other and they'll

negotiate a path. They'll go around or above/below each other.

And then when Iran EMP's the US, we'll have the biggest traffic Charlie Foxtrot in history.


MarkA wrote:


Exxon set several new records for profits by any single industry

in history.


You fail to realize that any economy is a giant Carnot engine, driven ultimately by the sun, and profits exist to overcome friction.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


   Since God created people naked and intended for them

them to spend all their time naked how can nudity be a sin?



When Adam and Eve realized they were naked they sewed fig leaves together to make clothes, but God thought it looked like 1990s Seattle grunge fashion, and decided to deck them out with furs. In fact, this was the first sign we have in scripture that God hates figs.


http://www.cleanposts.com/images/thumb/7/78/Figs.jpg/800px-Figs.jpg



duke wrote:


Right, we Catholics don't reject the Apocrapha simply because they were written

in Greek rather than Hebrew, or that they were written in Greece rather than the

Holy Land.


Actually, they were written in the Holy Land. The two books of the Maccabees are about fundamentalist Jews attacking liberal Jews for adopting Greek ways, such as the gymnasium, or foregoing circumcision.

"And what children soever they found within the coast of Israel uncircumcised, those they circumcised valiantly."

Valiantly. Sort of like proto-Republicans.


Jason wrote:


The television show related to this subject said they did not have a

calendar for the year 2013 but did have calendars for all of the years

prior to 2013. >

We don't have a calendar for the year zero AD, and somehow we muddled through.


Andrew W wrote:


Who would have imagined only 30 years ago that we'd have an information

super highway?


By a curious coincidence, William Gibson began writing Neuromancer in 1982.


Jason wrote:


It will help them get what the King James Bible refers to as crowns or

rewards when they make it to heaven. The term "crowns" in this case was

derived from the granting of crowns made of tree leafs to winners of

Olympic Games. If non-Christians from various countries that have never

heard the gospel message--make it to heaven--they will not get any crowns

or rewards.

Which means about as much to us as gold stars next to our name.



Andrew W wrote:


If they are made by Microsoft then the cars will be slower every OS update,

and they'll need more expensive hardware to work properly.

Also everyone will need to learn how to drive again with each new upgrade

because MS keeps changing the menus and layout of it all (just so they can

call it *new*).

Windows is pretty dang configurable, I have to admit but the default configuration when you take your computer out of the box is to maximize showing off all the bells and whistles.



ckdbigtoe@gmail.com wrote:


My experience is that if they frame it in the form of a question, they

have no real evidence, and even a cursory reading of the article

supports that experience. They were talking about a localized flood

and had no evidence to extrapolate that to a worldwide flood.

Lake Missoula flooded this place at the end of the last Ice Age, and there's a lot of evidence in the Columbia River Gorge, and the channeled scablands. It was a mega flood, but still local. A global flood would have the same sort of remnants (like funny little silt "islands" that form long hills) but we got nada.


Jahbulon wrote:



Evidence that the holy Freemason prophet Joseph Smith II (PBUH) liked to

have other people's men and as well as their women.


I won't ask, if you don't tell.


J wrote:


The big draw was Englishman Richard Dawkins. He implored the crowd to

“ridicule and show contempt” for people of faith. “Mock them, ridicule

them in public,” he bellowed. Especially Catholics.

Mr. Dawkins wasn't doing anything we don't do right here in alt.atheism, he's just taking the show on the road.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:

In article

<1737d25f-a602-432d-809c-77e43236d95b@w1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Dino <whatever@homemail.com wrote:


On Mar 27, 10:58=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote: >

    • =A0parroting the pope. =A0 As I see it ensoulment probably begins at b=

irth. >

I don't know, and I don't pretend to know.


    • agreed. Pope Gregory XIII said it happens on the 40th day of

gestation. Pope Paul VI implied that it happens at conception. All

humans are guessing.


That assumes there is such a thing as ensoulment. Maybe there's no such thing as a soul, only living brains deluding themselves that there's a little person inside us pulling all the strings. And that begs the question, who is pulling THAT person's strings?


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


    • 1870 marks the beginning of the delusion of papal infallibility in

matters of faith and morals. So how the hell can an Assumption (1950) be

infallible?


Because 1870 the hell precedes 1950?


felix_unger wrote:


LOL! that's funny! :) but I agree that atheism requires 'faith'.. faith

in (or trust in the truth of, if you prefer) the belief of the

non-existence of God.

I like Kojak's hair style.


Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:

HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com writes: >

Then you have countries where someone's NAME is the sound I make

when I clear my throat.


Like your username? lovely....


Ancient Klingon blessing: "May you never gag on your gahk!"


Jason wrote:


Jesus never sinned and as a result has become one of the most famous men

that has ever been on this earth. He was an excellent role model for all

Christians.

Really? Jesus never sinned? Let's see.

"Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." -- Jesus

"Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?" -- Jesus

I hope Jesus has asbestos long johns.


Jason wrote:


It's my understanding that they are designing robots that have artificial

intelligence computer chips installed in them.


So you know the part number for those chips? We could use some in our torpedoes.



Mitchell Holman wrote:



   Perhaps it like sex - legal to give away, but a crime to sell?


You can sell sex legally as long as you have a camera in the bedroom so you can claim you're shooting pr0n.



Jason wrote:


Since Adam and Eve were created by God--their genes were perfect. Their

children and grandchilden were also very near perfect--in terms of genes.

Our generation is NOT perfect--in terms of genes.


This is the propaganda of the folks who posit a "fall of man". In fact, things are getting better. People in Japan live to be ninety and shit.


Jason wrote:



You know that the first living cell did NOT evolve from non-living matter.

There's a big gray area below the complexity of bacteria. Viruses, for example, do not have cytoplasm, they must rely on other cells to assemble their offspring. Prions which cause Mad Cow Disease and psorriasis don't even have nucleotides, they're all amino acids and lipids.


Jason wrote:



And you voted for Obama and according to Hannity--Obama has promised the

leaders of the former Soviet Union that he will put an end to our missile

defense system in Europe if he wins the next election.


And by a funny coincidence, Russia has reversed their hard line supporting Assad in Syria. Looks like a case of Quid Pro Quo to me.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


   Bush's idea to "privatize" Social Security was so goofy

that even his own party rejected it. It sank faster than his

nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.


Yeah, he was going to bet the whole kitty on Enron and Hail Mary.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:



The OS, not the computers. Gawd help us all if Microsoft tried to make

computers.


Microsoft Bob, in physical form.


duke wrote:


And God said human life starts with the first cell split.


They knew about cells in those days? Cool.


duke wrote:


And I wouldn't bet against God.

Unless it was a fight between God and the Hittites with their iron chariots. That's a sure bet.

Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.


GSI wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMf29-Rk


David Barton says one of the signs of revival is that society stops

tolerating homosexuality.

Sure, it happened when the "pagan" Roman Empire gave way to the Christian Dark Ages.


Don Martin wrote:


Actually, those balls have a use apart from various attempts to impregnate

the alimentary canals of altar boys: without them, the chap would be

disqualified from the priesthood, if memory serves.

Another case of selectively interpreting the Old Testament to apply to the New.

Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken.

It doesn't say anything about the blemish of pedophilia.



duke wrote:


Actually, Jesus gave St. Peter infallible status in 32AD. It's in the bible.


Sure, he did it right here in Matthew 16:18-19:

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

But wait, it gets better! What did "infallible" Peter immediately proceed to do? That's right, rebuke Jesus for predicting his own death.

"Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee."

And what did Jesus then call his new infallible Pope? That's right, the devil!

"But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

Try reading the Bible one of these days Duke.


Mike Painter wrote: On 3/23/2012 9:53 PM, linuxgal wrote: Zacharias Mulletstein wrote: >

And a deaf person will never learn kitty language. >

Meow what? Meow I want to go out? Meow I want milk? What?


Actually all forms of meow translate into one simple phrase.

"I am the master, serve me."

Make a cat speak dog. Cover with gasoline, throw match. WOOF!



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



Yes. Dogs do too. Pantera always puts his head down and whimpers when

I'm sad.

He's going, "Master is focused on his own problems, and that means he's forgotten to set out my food again. What a bummer."


Smiler wrote:


I would remind him that he (presumably) has no qualms about a socialized

police force, a socialized fire service, a socialized justice system, a

socialized road network, socialized armed forces and anything else his

taxes pay for.

And unless he's got deep pockets, a socialized K-12 education system.



Andrew W wrote:

"fasgnadh" <fasgnadh@yahoo.com wrote in message

news:a7rbr.4980$%E2.2507@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com On 25/03/2012 6:12 AM, Zacharias Mulletstein wrote: >

"Liberals are VERMIN" <rander3127@gmail.com wrote in message

news:XnsA02097AE3C190446@94.75.214.39...

Hell, being an invention of the Christians

You mean there was no Hell till Christians invented it? >

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA >


Hell is just a state of being.

I'm thinking Utah.


BroilJAB wrote:

Latest Pew Poll shows Obama losing

in a landslide to Mitt Romney, who

even this week has won Obama's

'home state' of Illinois.

Party primaries don't mean shit. Pat Robertson carried Washington State in 1988. Washington State.


Andrew W wrote:


Rockets don't push against anything. That's not how they work.

They use the kick-back principle, like the kick-back from a shotgun.

Educate yourself.

If you sit on an ice sled with a pile of bricks and throw the bricks fast enough, you can start moving at quite a clip. It's simply the law of the conservation of linear momentum.


Andrew wrote:

"Budikka666" wrote in message news:345ecede-084b-4570-a5b6-71ad6ec62af6@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...



Can you explain the -origin- of the specified information in code

format that is in DNA, apart from a Super Intelligent causation??

Copy errors code for altered proteins. If the mangled protein helps the individual have more offspring, those copy errors are retained. If not, they are discarded, baby with the bathwater. DNA sequences represent millions of years of botched copy jobs that were serendipitously beneficial.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

You can look all day, but you

won't find God in a mosque and you won't find Jesus Christ in a Cathedral.

Try looking in prison. Everyone seems to find Jesus there.


Nancy Rudins wrote:


I still have my dual boot because I like to play Flight Simulator.

Other than that, I don't have any other use for Windoze.

I'm coming to you folks old school, from Windows 98 SE. That's harder than you think, because this computer never ran Win98 and so HP never created a network driver that will work for that OS. Why do this? Because I can back up the whole installation in about a minute, once a day, and tuck the backups into a tiny corner of an external drive.


Warhol wrote: On Mar 25, 4:27 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com wrote: >

If you sit on an ice sled with a pile of bricks and throw the bricks

fast enough, you can start moving at quite a clip. It's simply the law

of the conservation of linear momentum.


you will start moving because of the medium, in this case water

waves... but there above there is no medium and only vacuum... I defy

anyone here to prove this little fact wrong... in vacuum there is

nothing to push against...

No, water waves have nothing to do with it. I said an ice sled.


Jahbulon wrote:

linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in

news:ytydnf8m3da6qPLSnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com:


Where does one find this tithing commanded in the Book of Mormon,


3 Nephi 24:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,

that there may be meat in my house; and prove me now herewith,

saith the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the windows

of heaven, and pour you out a blessing that there shall not

be room enough to receive it.


That says 10% pre-tax?

That's what "all the tithes" means

If you tithe on net rather than gross, then God isn't getting his full cut kicked upstairs. The next step after that is he sends Furio to kneecap ya.


Nick Youngh wrote:


Mormon doomprophet Lehi was in my opinion Biblical doomprophet

Jeremiah

Naw, Jeremiah was told by God to buy some property in Jerusalem to fall back on after the first sack by Nebbie. Lehi was told by God to get the hell out and never come back.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 21:51:18 -0700 (PDT), Dino <whatever@homemail.com> wrote:


On Mar 24, 11:06 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote: >

Obama "wants" nothing of the sort.

http://www.dividedstates.com/obama-wants-high-gas-prices/


BWWHAHAHAHAAH


Oh, it must be true. You read it on the innernets.


Ray Fischer wrote: >

Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying.


Those who cannot remember history are doomed to vote for Democrats.


I suppose everyone knows, now, why Congress called it a health care "bill".


Obama has a new plan to make sure crime never pays: he's going to nationalize it!


Dino wrote: On Mar 25, 9:20 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com wrote: JTEM wrote:

You're a hypocrite. Obama sucks ass, absolutely,

but he sucks ass because he's continuing Bush's

policies, the exact same policies that "Conservatives"

like you cheered for 8 years.

True, Obama is eliminating the home mortgage tax deduction, but it

shouldn't impact the average American living in the new communes.


Just like a Liberal, thinks he or she can speak for the average

American.


Learn the difference between Liberalism and Liberatarianism.

Liberalism: Protect animals, trees, government programs, terrorists, dictators and murderers while killing babies, seniors, and jobs.



Dino wrote:

In fact, it's in SPITE of Obama's policies, that the production went

up.

Thanks in most part to private and state drilling.

Obama had ZERO to do with any increase.


Obama gets no credit from Pubs when production goes up. Bush gets no credit from Donks when prices go down.

I think it's all just Partisan Politics.


Warhol wrote:


"RADIO-WAVES cannot travel through the empty medium of Space -- All

audio and video from Apollo-11, ISS, The Shuttle, are FAKE FAKE FAKE"


So now we have an aether believer.


Alex W. wrote:


Given the nature of

the human -- and particularly the male -- mind, this is really a

catch-all precept guaranteed to result in guilt and expiation in

everybody bar the dead.

Which makes God a petulant child who blames his own creation for their shortcomings.



Al-Maghili wrote:

>

"Allah revealed Islam in order that humanity could be governed according to

it. Unbelief is darkness and disorder. So the unbelievers, if they are not

suppressed, create disorder.

As opposed to the order of a suicide bomber who blows up a marketplace.

 If Islam is the religion of peace, I'd hate to meet the religion of war.


Greegor wrote: >

Kent and Maureen may as well be joined at the hip.

Several have called Maureen Kent's excrement eater.


I don't remember this Greegor from the old days, but I hope he doesn't have some sort of ministry.

EPH 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.


KabukiBob wrote: >

Seeing as his radio show has been off the air for more than a decade,

idiot....

In Seattle, Bob's former outlet 1050 KBLE-AM got bought up by Mother Angelika's EWTN network and became all Popery all the time.



MarkA wrote:


Don thinks that without government, everyone would just naturally live

together in peace and harmony. The fact that that has never actually

happened, in all of human history, does not seem to impress him much.


Master Lao Tzu said, "Governing a large country is like frying a small fish. You spoil it with too much poking."


duke wrote:

>

There is no bigger loser than America for putting a Kenyan muslim into office.


I don't know what you're talking about Duke. Right now we have a Hawaiian Christian in office.


Tony Dragon wrote:


I seem to recall that Francis has posted that he/she is not a Freemason.

I seem to recall that Tricky Dicky said that he was not a crook.


Nick Youngh wrote:


People who believe that the BoM was situated in the new world should

not have other explanations on 1 Nephi than the people who believe in

an old world location.

And yet the story ended with the plates being buried on Hill Cumorah in New York State, a decidedly New Worldish location.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:



Deregulation of Wall street, investment banking, commodities trading,

foriegn policy that insults oil producing nations, foriegn policy that

threatens other oil consuming nations


All of the above were policy screw-ups by Bush and the Republican

congress.

Average price in the US is north of $3.90 per gallon, so what's Obama's policy screw-up? Three years in, blaming Bush doesn't fly.


BroilJAB wrote:

LUV that RUSHHHHH

My favorite Rush platter is Grace Under Pressure.


BroilJAB wrote:

Never tolerate an atheist near you

or near children.

Great idea! Let them serve as altar boys so they'll be safe.


BroilJAB wrote:

The Seal Team Child Murderer has apparently been

flown safely out of Afghan and already declared insane,

and so never to face justice. The hearts of the Moslem

people bleed each time Obama orders more killings,

more Koran burnings.

A man in an Afghan army uniform has shot and killed two soldiers at a Nato base in southern Afghanistan, Nato officials have said. We're still waiting for Karzai's apology.


John Locke wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:49:12 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno <atjoebruno0@gmail.com wrote:


I think they are confusing and incomplete.

They don't offer all the options the old system did. >

Get a newsreader and a usenet account ! Xnews is free or there's

Agent version 6 which costs a few bucks but is, in my opinion, a

better reader.

Mozilla Seamonkey for text (all platforms), Pan for binaries (under Linux) or Grabit for XP. Xnews is the only think I can get working under Win98 for binaries.


Eugene Griessel wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:17:55 -0700 (PDT), Warhol <molarh@hotmail.com> wrote:


To report Warhol to the Belgian Police please use:

https://www.ecops.be/webforms/Default.aspx?Lang=EN


Holocaust denial and anti-semitism is a crime in Belgium,


Eugene L Griessel


  To err is human, to moo bovine.

To oink porcine.


John Baker wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:56:26 -0700 (PDT), Ray Fischer Buggers Little Boys <RayFischerFuksLittleBoys@yahoo.com wrote:



And in August of 2008, when Dubya was in charge, the national average

price of gas was $4.11 per gallon, with peaks of $4.73 per gallon in

some west coast markets.


I remember that. Bush gave everyone $600 in free money. So we pooled it together, and blew the whole $1200 on a trip to the Redwoods and shit. Eureka, gas was $4.75.


John Harshman wrote: Steven Bornfeld wrote: On 3/25/2012 5:11 PM, John Harshman wrote: Wretch Fossil wrote:

NASA produced Moon Hoax >

What hoax? If we went to the moon, why not pick up rocks there? If we

didn't go to the moon, how was it possible to fake the whole thing? > >

   I think he thinks the moon is fake.


It's only a paper moon?

We only see the front. Maybe the back of the moon is all two by fours and shit.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:27:46 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying. >

Those who cannot remember history are doomed to vote for Democrats.


You bet


who saved this nations ass in the 30's?


Franklin Delano Roosevelt = New Deal

Barack Hussein Obama = Raw Deal



Kumbaya Redflower wrote:

>

I think you must be right. After all, Mohammed was actually Abe

Lincoln, too!

>

"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." -- Abraham Lincoln



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote: >


You think about how hot Hell will be.

Somewhere on the Innertubes I saw proof that heaven was hotter than hell, based on the scripture in Isaiah that talks about the light of seven suns being in heaven.


Theo Bekkers wrote:



It's pretty unlikely that a Catholic would even posses a copy of the

King James Bible. that Bible has about seven books less than the Douay

Bible, which is used by Catholics.


Not true. The deuterocanonicals were also translated and published in the earliest editions of the Authorized Version (also called the KJV). But in 1644, the Long Parliament directed that the deuts should not be used in the Church of England liturgy, so the books were set aside in a separate section called the Apocrypha, and eventually dropped from modern editions altogether.

The curious can find them here:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html


default wrote:



The probability is on par with finding Noah's arc.

I thought Noah's arc was the rainbow.


Jason wrote:



I seem to recall that scripture is about evil people trying to influence

Christians. I believe the scripture is warning Christians to ignore such

people.


If you ignore people, how can they be saved? Is it not written (Matthew 28:19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost ... ?


Jason wrote:



If it is a planet, why it is not listed on the list of planet that we were

forced to memorize in a science class.



Did you memorize that Pluto was a planet? Oops!


Caranx latus wrote:


Try Matthew 4:1-11. Satan took Jesus to a high mountain, but Jesus

originally went to the wilderness.

And from that high mountain Satan showed Jesus all the nations of the world. The Earth was flat in those days. It was before Eru Iluvatar bend the world into a ball and set the Undying Lands at the end the Straight Road which only elves could sail.


Jason wrote:


But it it's going to be so great why aren't you kicking off now? Why

wait for years down here with heart disease and kidney issues?


I am helping people while waiting for my new spirit body. Paul done that.

He also had some sort of medical problem but kept working until he died.


Your ministry sucks. Where did you get ordained, Billy-bob's Seminary and Fish Tackle, in the strip mall between Teriyaki Time and Tattoo Alley?


HVAC wrote:


Germans are a gutter people. Just listen to their language!

Anyone that speaks like that MUST be mentally disturbed.


German for "Beware of Dog": harkentabarkin German for courting: parkanensparken German for painful methane discharge: Ahfartenansmarten German for three blondes in a convertible: Farfromthinkin German for bra: Holdsemfromfloppin. German for Constipation: Farfrompoopin German for virgin: Guttentight


Nick Youngh wrote:


Probavly burried round 1830 by Luman Walter, who hired JS as a ,money

digger. What name had this hill before the Mormons got invilved ?

Probably none. In Washington State we have names for mountains, but hills are a dime a dozen.


Smiler wrote:


Exactly the same applies to universal health care. No enterprise can

function properly with an unhealthy workforce.

Having a lawyer reform health care is like having Rod Blagojevich head up an ethics in government task force.


MarkA wrote:



Deciding that you're going to be abstinent until marriage is fine when

you're sitting in your church youth group meeting, but when that special

someone gives you that special smile, it becomes a whole different story....


The eyes have it.


Jason wrote:



Yes, I do recall learning about the history of a typical river while in

college. I seem to recall that a river starts out as being very strait but

over time bends and meanders. During Noah's flood, I believe the river

below Grand Canyon was mostly strait but over the years has developed

bends and meanders.



Rivers in uplands run straight. Rivers on the flats meander. The Colorado was a river on the flats, but the land rose over millions of years and became uplands. The river retained its meandering course. Same situation happened on the stretch of the Yakima River south of Ellensburg, Washington.


Smiler wrote:



I don't know if it still applies, but when I was there in the 70s, Ireland

was completely 'dry' for 2 hours each Sunday. The pubs were all closed for

the 'Church Hour.'


And that was the longest two hours of the week.


On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:51:42 -0700 (PDT), Dino <whatever@homemail.com

wrote:


In fact, many of our strongest world leaders believe in God.

Many scientist believe in God.

Educators, philosophers, and many others from all walks of life are

very strong and believe in God.

Fallacy of argument from authority.


Mitchell Holman wrote:



   That means God is also OK with incest, since he 

meant for the children of Adam and Eve to be having

sex with each other.

Abraham married his half-sister, and God was okay with that.


Jason wrote:


God is alive and God created life on this earth. Life came from Life and

that complies with the Law of Biogenesis.



So if God is alive, and life only comes from life....where does God come from?


Jason wrote: >

Or a smart thing to do since I don't vote for democrats since so many of

them are advocates of socialism.


The difference between free-market capitalism and centrally-planned liberal socialism is plenty.


Dino wrote:


Difference between liberal and conservative.


If Ronald Reagan farted, liberals would scream that he is destroying

the Ozone Layer.

If Obama farted, liberals would praise him for producing natural gas

Invent a way to power appliances directly from the earth's magnetic field and libs would ban the technology for affecting the navigation system of the common moth.



Jason wrote:


It is free will since God has granted us with free will.


That's not what Paul said in Romans 9:

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"



Jason wrote:


God decided to do it a different way. One preacher believes the reason he

done it that way was to cleanse the planet. The next time, God will use

fire to clease the planet.


Yep, about five billion years from now Sol goes red-giant and swallows the Earth. Jesus ought to return by then.


Jason wrote:


I explained it before--life coming from life. It complies.


You just push the abiogenesis problem back a stage. Who was God's daddy?



Jason wrote:


It can't--but it can have what is called artificial intelligence--like

DATA on Star Trek--the next generation.


This is reality Greg.



duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:19:03 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


    • Earl is the #1 RCC apologist. If the pope said black was white, Earl

would say "that's sbsoliutely 100% right".


The Pope is not infallible on colors.


Seems to me Galileo was hassled by the Pope over his claim of sunspots.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>
>

"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in message

news:s7KdnWCCxZmvi-zSnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>
>

You think about how hot Hell will be.

>

Somewhere on the Innertubes I saw proof that heaven was hotter than

hell, based on the scripture in Isaiah that talks about the light of

seven suns being in heaven.

>

The seven suns are hundreds of miles away, so They don't burn you in

Heaven!

You don't get it. Sunlight is a melange, a sort of bell curve centered on the green frequency. That means there's a crapload of infrared (heat) on the lower end of that bell curve. Crank up the intensity of light (number of photons) seven fold, and you crank up the heat by a corresponding amount.


ala wrote:



This sounds so clever til we remember that back then you could not tell

gender just by name


I mean as far as I could tell Hosea was a chick cos it ended in A

Hebrew names, that rule doesn't work so good. Joshua. Abba.


Jason wrote:

In article <wsGdnULiCeWqtezSnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote:

I explained it before--life coming from life. It complies. >

You just push the abiogenesis problem back a stage. Who was God's daddy?


The Bible does not state the answer to that question.



At least the Mormons solved it: It's daddies all the way back.


Jason wrote:

In article <wsGdnUfiCeU2uezSnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote: >

God is alive and God created life on this earth. Life came from Life and

that complies with the Law of Biogenesis. > >

So if God is alive, and life only comes from life....where does God come

from?


The Bible does not state how God came to be God. The best guess that I

have heard was that God came from another planet or other dimension that

was filled with people that had spirit bodies.


Okey doke. All you know is we're wrong and you're right.


Joe Bruno wrote:


Only homosexual perverts are interested in men's asses.

Er, womenfolk too. Ever seen Keanu's little tush?


Jason wrote:


It may happen before the end of 2012--are you ready? The Mayans had a

calendar that ended the last day of 2012. Why did they do it?


Maybe for the same reason we used to represent a year with only two bytes. Planned obsolescence. No one expected UNIVAC to last until 2001.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:

In article <soadnYXPFu8bt-zSnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

The Pope is not infallible on colors. >

Seems to me Galileo was hassled by the Pope over his claim of sunspots.


    • Galileo was fortunate that he was over the RCC's max permitted age

(65) for Holy Office of the Inquisition torture.

See? The Catholic Church isn't so bad after all!



KabukiBob wrote:


He doesn't. He's a little woman and child abusing bastard from alt

child protective services who whined about ho baldy he was treated by

CPS for abusing a seven year old girl for two years, then when no one

there believed his " I'm a victim" con, he started going after people

there. That's where he met Kent and the tick has been latched onto

Kent ever since.

Thanks. Just wanted to know what he had to do with Mr. Larson. And the answer is, nada.


ala wrote:


That's why he introduced it, so government would have a mechanism to

drive unnecessary speculation out of the market.

Is the definition of "unnecessary" left up to the regulator, as in, "I know it when I see it"  ?


Jahbulon wrote:


When they get washed in the Mormon temple Endowment Ceremony the men are

together with no clothes.


Just like the showers in boot camp, or gym, or prison. But why would that be a worse problem than co-ed nudity?


JTEM wrote:


What if Obama had banned private jets instead of inflicting

suffering on the working poor and middle class?

Why, then the working poor and middle class who assemble those jets would be non-working poor.


BroilJAB wrote:

Obama blasted Hispanics in Florida as 'crooks'

and 'mean-spirited' as he sought to spin the news

of Trayvon killed in an attempted murder of Hispanic.

Hispanics in Florida are fair game for Donks, they're Cuban exiles and vote funny.


BroilJAB wrote:

Excellent points, Dave.

And Science has confirmed both the

location and the severity (perpetual)

of Hell --the earth's interior.

Kind of hard to breathe down there. A person might die.


BroilJAB wrote:

Obama assured an Oklahoma crowd Thursday he favored oil drilling.

They

laughed for 5 minutes. He is on the road to publicize the Obama

Doctrine, which

states that windmills and Green Algae will lower gas prices.

Don't forget to check your tire pressure too.


Yoorghis@Jurgis.net wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:17:20 -0700 (PDT), JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:


According to that same office, Clinton's budgets led to

record-setting deficits.


Oh--then how did Dumbya get handed a $300 billion surplus?


He beat Al Gore fair and square, 5 votes to 4.


Patrick wrote:


For the most part, the Catholic Church's inquisitions didn't actually

execute anybody. Instead, they would find the accused guilty or not guilty

of heresy, then turn them over to the government for punishment.


Sort of like the CIA never actually tortured anyone, just renditioned them to some shithole country ending with the letters "-stan" where they boil people's limbs in canola oil.


JohnN wrote: On Friday, March 23, 2012 2:05:59 AM UTC-4, linuxgal wrote: John Harshman wrote: >

And if you're going to make fake moon rocks, why use rocks from

Mars?

Because you can get Mars rocks in Antarctica.


Why did NASA get its Mars rocks from Antarctica? Aren't American made Mars rocks good enough?

Budget cuts. We also get our Amurrican flags from China.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:

>

Athiests hate God. There is no question of this.

They also hate Yosemite Sam. Hate the rackafrackin' mo fo.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:


Where did Jung get his degree in evolutionary biology?

Jale.


duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:46:57 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:19:03 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote: >

    • Earl is the #1 RCC apologist. If the pope said black was white, Earl

would say "that's sbsoliutely 100% right".

The Pope is not infallible on colors. >

Seems to me Galileo was hassled by the Pope over his claim of sunspots.


You need to go back and read your astronomy textbook again.

My bad. The Sun is really a flawless glass container into which God, on Day Four, poured the light He created on Day One.


Alex W. wrote:


Secondly, in anatomical terms the male and female nipple are the

same -- so if a woman's nipple is deemed sexual and offensive,

then so should a male nipple.

Beauty rolls out from utility. Nipples on men are about as useful as balls on a priest.


Andrew W wrote:


Each car's onboard computer will communicate with the other and they'll

negotiate a path. They'll go around or above/below each other.

And then when Iran EMP's the US, we'll have the biggest traffic Charlie Foxtrot in history.


MarkA wrote:


Exxon set several new records for profits by any single industry

in history.


You fail to realize that any economy is a giant Carnot engine, driven ultimately by the sun, and profits exist to overcome friction.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


   Since God created people naked and intended for them

them to spend all their time naked how can nudity be a sin?



When Adam and Eve realized they were naked they sewed fig leaves together to make clothes, but God thought it looked like 1990s Seattle grunge fashion, and decided to deck them out with furs. In fact, this was the first sign we have in scripture that God hates figs.


http://www.cleanposts.com/images/thumb/7/78/Figs.jpg/800px-Figs.jpg



duke wrote:


Right, we Catholics don't reject the Apocrapha simply because they were written

in Greek rather than Hebrew, or that they were written in Greece rather than the

Holy Land.


Actually, they were written in the Holy Land. The two books of the Maccabees are about fundamentalist Jews attacking liberal Jews for adopting Greek ways, such as the gymnasium, or foregoing circumcision.

"And what children soever they found within the coast of Israel uncircumcised, those they circumcised valiantly."

Valiantly. Sort of like proto-Republicans.


Jason wrote:


The television show related to this subject said they did not have a

calendar for the year 2013 but did have calendars for all of the years

prior to 2013. >

We don't have a calendar for the year zero AD, and somehow we muddled through.


Andrew W wrote:


Who would have imagined only 30 years ago that we'd have an information

super highway?


By a curious coincidence, William Gibson began writing Neuromancer in 1982.


Jason wrote:


It will help them get what the King James Bible refers to as crowns or

rewards when they make it to heaven. The term "crowns" in this case was

derived from the granting of crowns made of tree leafs to winners of

Olympic Games. If non-Christians from various countries that have never

heard the gospel message--make it to heaven--they will not get any crowns

or rewards.

Which means about as much to us as gold stars next to our name.



Andrew W wrote:


If they are made by Microsoft then the cars will be slower every OS update,

and they'll need more expensive hardware to work properly.

Also everyone will need to learn how to drive again with each new upgrade

because MS keeps changing the menus and layout of it all (just so they can

call it *new*).

Windows is pretty dang configurable, I have to admit but the default configuration when you take your computer out of the box is to maximize showing off all the bells and whistles.



ckdbigtoe@gmail.com wrote:


My experience is that if they frame it in the form of a question, they

have no real evidence, and even a cursory reading of the article

supports that experience. They were talking about a localized flood

and had no evidence to extrapolate that to a worldwide flood.

Lake Missoula flooded this place at the end of the last Ice Age, and there's a lot of evidence in the Columbia River Gorge, and the channeled scablands. It was a mega flood, but still local. A global flood would have the same sort of remnants (like funny little silt "islands" that form long hills) but we got nada.


Jahbulon wrote:



Evidence that the holy Freemason prophet Joseph Smith II (PBUH) liked to

have other people's men and as well as their women.


I won't ask, if you don't tell.


J wrote:


The big draw was Englishman Richard Dawkins. He implored the crowd to

“ridicule and show contempt” for people of faith. “Mock them, ridicule

them in public,” he bellowed. Especially Catholics.

Mr. Dawkins wasn't doing anything we don't do right here in alt.atheism, he's just taking the show on the road.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:

In article

<1737d25f-a602-432d-809c-77e43236d95b@w1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Dino <whatever@homemail.com wrote:


On Mar 27, 10:58=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote: >

    • =A0parroting the pope. =A0 As I see it ensoulment probably begins at b=

irth. >

I don't know, and I don't pretend to know.


    • agreed. Pope Gregory XIII said it happens on the 40th day of

gestation. Pope Paul VI implied that it happens at conception. All

humans are guessing.


That assumes there is such a thing as ensoulment. Maybe there's no such thing as a soul, only living brains deluding themselves that there's a little person inside us pulling all the strings. And that begs the question, who is pulling THAT person's strings?


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


    • 1870 marks the beginning of the delusion of papal infallibility in

matters of faith and morals. So how the hell can an Assumption (1950) be

infallible?


Because 1870 the hell precedes 1950?


felix_unger wrote:


LOL! that's funny! :) but I agree that atheism requires 'faith'.. faith

in (or trust in the truth of, if you prefer) the belief of the

non-existence of God.

I like Kojak's hair style.


Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:

HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com writes: >

Then you have countries where someone's NAME is the sound I make

when I clear my throat.


Like your username? lovely....


Ancient Klingon blessing: "May you never gag on your gahk!"


Jason wrote:


Jesus never sinned and as a result has become one of the most famous men

that has ever been on this earth. He was an excellent role model for all

Christians.

Really? Jesus never sinned? Let's see.

"Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." -- Jesus

"Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?" -- Jesus

I hope Jesus has asbestos long johns.


Jason wrote:


It's my understanding that they are designing robots that have artificial

intelligence computer chips installed in them.


So you know the part number for those chips? We could use some in our torpedoes.



Mitchell Holman wrote:



   Perhaps it like sex - legal to give away, but a crime to sell?


You can sell sex legally as long as you have a camera in the bedroom so you can claim you're shooting pr0n.



Jason wrote:


Since Adam and Eve were created by God--their genes were perfect. Their

children and grandchilden were also very near perfect--in terms of genes.

Our generation is NOT perfect--in terms of genes.


This is the propaganda of the folks who posit a "fall of man". In fact, things are getting better. People in Japan live to be ninety and shit.


Jason wrote:



You know that the first living cell did NOT evolve from non-living matter.

There's a big gray area below the complexity of bacteria. Viruses, for example, do not have cytoplasm, they must rely on other cells to assemble their offspring. Prions which cause Mad Cow Disease and psorriasis don't even have nucleotides, they're all amino acids and lipids.


Jason wrote:



And you voted for Obama and according to Hannity--Obama has promised the

leaders of the former Soviet Union that he will put an end to our missile

defense system in Europe if he wins the next election.


And by a funny coincidence, Russia has reversed their hard line supporting Assad in Syria. Looks like a case of Quid Pro Quo to me.


Mitchell Holman wrote:


   Bush's idea to "privatize" Social Security was so goofy

that even his own party rejected it. It sank faster than his

nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.


Yeah, he was going to bet the whole kitty on Enron and Hail Mary.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:



The OS, not the computers. Gawd help us all if Microsoft tried to make

computers.


Microsoft Bob, in physical form.


duke wrote:


And God said human life starts with the first cell split.


They knew about cells in those days? Cool.


duke wrote:


And I wouldn't bet against God.

Unless it was a fight between God and the Hittites with their iron chariots. That's a sure bet.

Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.


GSI wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMf29-Rk


David Barton says one of the signs of revival is that society stops

tolerating homosexuality.

Sure, it happened when the "pagan" Roman Empire gave way to the Christian Dark Ages.


Don Martin wrote:


Actually, those balls have a use apart from various attempts to impregnate

the alimentary canals of altar boys: without them, the chap would be

disqualified from the priesthood, if memory serves.

Another case of selectively interpreting the Old Testament to apply to the New.

Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken.

It doesn't say anything about the blemish of pedophilia.



duke wrote:


Actually, Jesus gave St. Peter infallible status in 32AD. It's in the bible.


Sure, he did it right here in Matthew 16:18-19:

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

But wait, it gets better! What did "infallible" Peter immediately proceed to do? That's right, rebuke Jesus for predicting his own death.

"Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee."

And what did Jesus then call his new infallible Pope? That's right, the devil!

"But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

Try reading the Bible one of these days Duke.



Steve O wrote:


What the hell are you babbling on about, you dribbling fool?

Why on earth would an atheist want to keep an archive about atheism?


I suppose it would same time when the fundies roll out the same old arguments.


Andrew W wrote:

"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasmulletstein@isalwaysright.com wrote

in message news:jl05pv$9mf$1@dont-email.me >

Because souls have nerves, dumbass. I thought everybody knew that. >


How can souls have nerves if they don't even have a body??


The nerve of that guy.


duke wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net wrote:


I did not know that. That's just horrific. I *really* have to get

them to acknowledge that I am no longer a member of their criminal

organization.


Actually, God says you are, and that is really bad news. Backsliders are not

well accepted in heaven.


Just when I thought I was out, they PULL me back in!


Patrick wrote:

"Mike Painter" <md.painter@sbcglobal.net wrote om... On 3/28/2012 12:24 PM, Patrick wrote:


Jesus taught that we should love our neighbor as ourselves (Mark chapter

12

verse 31). Catholics try to put this into practice and find it to be a

life-giving and fulfilling way to live. They are involved in a wide

variety

of charitable works such as running hostels for the homeless and caring

for

the elderly.

Your frequent comments about others show you ignore this.


Catholics TRY to put this into practice.

However, I have found that you cannot play baseball with a

mit on each hand.

Or football with a bat.


Alex W. wrote:


Republicans, neo-cons and that

magalomaniac tosspot Starr failed to make anything stick no

matter what they did: the American public (electorate!) loved the

guy, and it drove them mad.

As a libertarian I still love the guy. He was the last president to make the government debt actually get smaller rather than just talk about doing it.


THE BORG wrote:


Some men think women are "angels". Women are the lowest and ugliest you

can get, how anyone could think Angels would be remotely similar to

those whores and sluts I have no idea.


We-HULLL! I bet you know the words to every Andrew Lloyd Weber show ever put on stage.


William Smith wrote:

Insurance payouts for other people's accidents come from your premiums,

so why not get rid of this racket?

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. The whole idea of insurance is to create a pool to share risk.


BroilJAB wrote:

Limbaugh makes more in one day

from any of his websites, than the

average journalist makes in 10 years.

Makes more pop tarts maybe.


BroilJAB wrote:

AFter Mitt takes office and orders

the 'sealed records' open on Obama

faked Certificate, then ALL of

ObamaCrap EVAPORATES with it.

To be replaced by RomneyCrap.


BroilJAB wrote:

Here in Arkansas and all across this big beautiful

Christian America, all schoolchildren and all college

kids are enjoying now a respite, The Easter Break.

He wants us all to enjoy His Creation. Won't you?

Who does, the Easter Bunny?


Christopher A. Lee wrote: On 27 Mar 2012 16:34:44 -0000, Kulin <remailer@reece.net.au wrote:


You bigoted, deluded redneck imbeciles attribute everything you don't

like to "the liberals" and then blame all of them.

Q. What do you get when you offer a liberal a penny for his thoughts?

A. Change.


BroilJAB wrote:

The failure to recognize the implications of the

non-coding DNA will go down as the biggest mistake

in the history of molecular biology. -- Dr.J.Mattick


Second only to doctors missing the true purpose of the appendix.


John Harshman wrote: Wretch Fossil wrote:

NASA produced Moon Hoax


What hoax? If we went to the moon, why not pick up rocks there? If we

didn't go to the moon, how was it possible to fake the whole thing?

They hired Douglas Trumbull, who did the special effects for 2001 (in 1968) and Silent Running (in 1971).



BroilJAB wrote:

Remember that Clarene Darrow led the

ACLU to a horrifying debacle against

Senator WJBryan at Scopes in TN.

After that shattering loss, Evolution was

never again included in textbooks for

44 years.

And ever since that day, Tennessee was known for producing a lot of shit-kicker music but not a lot of science.


Liberals are VERMIN wrote:

>

The arch daemon Beelzebub will eternally torment all who refuse to be

God fearing Christians in the fiery bowels of Hell on the lake of

fire!

Why would he torture his buds? Your fairy tale doesn't hang together.


Joe Bruno wrote:


There used to be alot of people who badmouthed GW Bush constantly.

Now that they've seen 3 years of Obama, I'd guess alot of them might be saying:"Gee, maybe GW wasn't so bad after all."

Less bad maybe. Only laid $4.33 trillion of debt on our children and grandchildren.


ala wrote:



Nobody puts God in a box especially if he wants to win a dance contest

Pat Robertson and his ilk put God on the idiot box, where he belongs.


Davej wrote:


But the moral crisis in America isn't a breakdown in private morality.

It's a breakdown in public morality. What Americans do in their

bedrooms is their own business. What corporate executives and Wall

Street financiers do in boardrooms and executive suites affects all of

us.

Only when politicians cover their private losses with public money. Too big to fail and all that tommyrot.


John Baker wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:27:46 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

Rightard rule #1: lie, lie again, lie more, lie about lying. >

Those who cannot remember history are doomed to vote for Democrats.



As bad as the Democrats are, the Republicans are ten times worse.


Trial lawyers didn't buy the Democratic party because they wanted to help poor and sick people, the bought it because it was for sale.



Al-Damanhuri wrote:

Allah says in the Qur'an, the final revelation sent to all of mankind, "He

it is who has sent the Messenger with the Guidance and Deen of Truth. to

make it victorious over all other ways of life even though the disbelievers

hate it."


The American Tradition flew 24 men to the Moon.

The Crescent Moon Tradition flew 19 men into three American buildings.


Free Lunch wrote:


Never heard of triage? There isn't a huge surplus of medical care

available, but the people who need care get it when they need it.

Socialism raises making toilet paper to a first rate economic problem. In socialist countries, they have to resort to toilet paper triage.


Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

WASHINGTON – The Republican-run House has

overwhelmingly rejected President Obama's $3.6

trillion budget for next year after a vote forced by

GOP lawmakers to embarrass Democrats.


...


The vote was 414-0.


Too bad. So sad.

Had no idea there were zero Democrats in the House.


Jason wrote:

In article <wsGdnULiCeWqtezSnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote:

I explained it before--life coming from life. It complies. >

You just push the abiogenesis problem back a stage. Who was God's daddy?


The Bible does not state the answer to that question.



I feel like Mr. Hand when Jeff Spicoli says "I don't know!"



ala wrote:


"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in message

news:d5OdnWZdIo6m9u_SnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com... >

Beauty rolls out from utility. Nipples on men are about as useful as

balls on a priest.


wasn't there a movie where Ben Stiller nursed his cat with his own nipples

I don't know. I tend to only watch good films, like Vertigo or His Girl Friday.


Barry OGrady wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:07:22 -0400, ThomMadura <Tommadura@optonline.net wrote:


On 27/3/2012 6:32 PM, felix_unger wrote: religion).

the behaviour of atheists indicates otherwise.. >

REALLY -how many atheists do you KNOW?


Are we talking here about poof as in poofter as in homosexual,

or poof as in a foot rest?


Christian context, has to be pillow-biter poof.


MarkA wrote:


Certainly. God can only do good, and disobedience to God is the

definition of sin.


Well, there were a few close calls when God ALMOST didn't do good:

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


Jeanne Douglas wrote:


If he bought "another" football team, then there was a 1st one. What

team did he already own?


Liberals don't think Rush should be an NFL team owner, but then again, they think a quarterback is the ideal tax refund amount.



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



Evolutionaryism is the religion of athiesm. All pop athiests practice

it.

I don't practice Evolutionaryism, because I'm already damn good at it.


KILLUMINATI wrote:


Yahweh his the name of God in the hebrew bible. But the hebrew bible

was written with consonants only no vowels so in translation to

english the name of God is Jehovah.


Vanna, wanna 'V'


duke wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:41:12 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


But wait, it gets better! What did "infallible" Peter immediately

proceed to do? That's right, rebuke Jesus for predicting his own death.


Haahaahaa. Another one that doesn't know what ex-cathedra means. And by the

way, 100% of all mankind is a sinner with the exception of Jesus himself. Heb

4:15.

Peter could be sitting on the shitter, but if he pronounces something pertaining to faith or morals (with faith defined as acceptance of divinely revealed things, such as Christ's prophesy of his death), then he teaches without error. But this fails the scripture test.


Jason wrote:


Only a socialist president would make it impossible for new coal fired

plants to be constucted.


Yeah, when Wilson closed the government buggy whip factories they called him socialist too.



Jason wrote:


Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling programs. At least

some children are learning the truth about how life came to be on this

planet.


What a shock when they try to apply at Uni.



Jason wrote:


They may have got burned out making flat rocks out of round rocks. One

poster told me that the Maya wrote their calendars on flat rocks.


That was to keep the racehorses from pissing on them.



Tom Potter wrote:

"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in message

news:Q8ydndYo4KEOJu7SnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com... Steve O wrote: >

What the hell are you babbling on about, you dribbling fool?

Why on earth would an atheist want to keep an archive about atheism?

I suppose it would same time when the fundies roll out the same old

arguments.


I trust that "linuxgal" will explain what she means by "fundies"

and what "the same old arguments" are.

Fundies are people who adhere doggedly to unfalsifiable theories of origin, and fall back on their book (Bible, Q'u'r'a'n) when they are cornered by observational evidence to the contrary.

The same old arguments are, including but not limited to, objections to infinite regress, argument from fine-tuning, objections to the strawman known as "macroevolution", the water canopy, irreducable complexity, argument from miracles, ontological argument, Pascal's Wager, appeal to authority, argumentum ad populum, argumentum ad naseaum...


Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:26:33 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote:


Free Lunch wrote: >

Never heard of triage? There isn't a huge surplus of medical care

available, but the people who need care get it when they need it.

Socialism raises making toilet paper to a first rate economic problem.

In socialist countries, they have to resort to toilet paper triage.


Bullshit.

Naw, the bulls have to fend for themselves.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


    • You left out the part about Pope Peter's error of not requiring that

priests vow not to have sex with females - thereby attracting men who had

no desire whatsoever to have sex with females.


Well, Pope Peter had a mother-in-law, which meant that he had a wife. He didn't want to be a hypocrite, so he left that to his successor popes.


Don Martin wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:53:12 -0500, Doc Smartass <FortbrickGeek@yahoobrick.com> wrote:


"Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com wrote in

news:e9Ecr.46143$IQ1.7675@newsfe18.iad: > >

What are the goals of atheists?

Good pizza. Good beer. Good music.


You left out good sex.


Even bad sex is pretty dang good.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: On 2012-Mar-28 13:44, Brian E. Clark wrote:

In article<hlwdjsd-6018BF.01145727032012@

5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, hlwdjsd@NOSPAMpacbell.net says... >

I've been waiting for my flying car since I saw The Jetsons. >

I gave up selling Jetsons-type technology after I lost my

shirt on my last business venture: we sold treadmills meant

for walking your dog without leaving your house. The units

were six feet long, and they attached to the exterior of

your skyscraper apartment by means of a two-foot steel

tongue. We determined that no troublesome curbs or rails or

safety nets were needed, but for some reason this led to

serious liability issues.


You probably should have invested in helicopter ejection seats instead.


Or failing that, screen doors for attack submarines.


Alex W. wrote:


The fact is that neither the Old Testament nor the New so much as

mentions Lesbians or same-sex practices between women.

Actually, Paul mentioned it to the Church of Rome in his epistle:

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



Everybody seems to forget that Satan is mentally ill and has no concept

of right and wrong. He's a fucking lunatic.

Then maybe he shouldn't be punished in the Lake of Fire.


Smiler wrote:


I've asked how a supposedly disembodied soul can _feel_ the supposed heat

of their supposed hell. No theist has been able to coherently answer that.


It's all simulated, like in The Matrix.


Jason wrote:


It's a fact. I once talked to a doctor about this subject. He said that

totally new genetic diseases develop every generation. Many of those NEW

genetic diseases develop when cousins marry cousins.



God commanded Zelophehad's five daughters to marry their cousins so their inheritance would remain in the family. It is precisely to prevent the accumulation of wealth in families (and thus threaten the temporal power of the Papacy) that Pope Gregory I made cousin-marriage forbidden for all Catholics.


duke wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:17:04 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: >

And I wouldn't bet against God.

Unless it was a fight between God and the Hittites with their iron

chariots. That's a sure bet.


Nah, even Moses watched the chariots sink and drown the Egyptians.


Those were brass chariots. Up Canaan way they had genuine iron ones, put the fear of science into God.


duke wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:14:09 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

And God said human life starts with the first cell split.


They knew about cells in those days? Cool.


Yeah, God invented cells.


Well I'm trying to figure out where God SAID human life started with a cell. I hope you didn't just pull that out the same place Obama gets his unemployment projections.


duke wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:25:41 -0400, ThomMadura <Tommadura@optonline.net wrote:


However - there is NO reason to believe that the UNIVERSE had do begin 0

it is just as possible that it always existed


Of course there is. You are pushing existence without creation.


You can posit an eternal universe, or an eternal God who then creates the universe later. Atheists just cut out the middle man.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:

In article <Dbidnc8rXsxT4OnSnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


• R. L. Measures. wrote: >

    • You left out the part about Pope Peter's error of not requiring that

priests vow not to have sex with females - thereby attracting men who had

no desire whatsoever to have sex with females. >

Well, Pope Peter had a mother-in-law, which meant that he had a wife.

He didn't want to be a hypocrite, so he left that to his successor popes.


• Chortle. Why the 1000-year delay?


For a long time the consensus was that large cats can be dangerous, but a little pussy never hurt anyone.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: On 2012-Mar-29 09:24, linuxgal wrote: Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: >

You probably should have invested in helicopter ejection seats instead. >

Or failing that, screen doors for attack submarines.


There'd also be more potential with that business venture to diversify

by producing mesh parachutes (dare we call it an "off-shoot?").


Also spit valves for violins, double-sided playing cards, open-toed safety shoes, flavored suppositories, inflatable dart boards, Braille drive up ATMs and dehydrated water.



duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 05:18:10 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Just when I thought I was out, they PULL me back in!


Once you are baptized, there is no return to the old way. It's an indelible

mark that cannot be removed because it is on your soul.


On the contrary, it is written (2 Peter 2:21-22) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


duke wrote: >

You make 'em, you feed 'em. Unless you're morally vacant.


Is that what your omnibenevolent God does after he makes new Somalis and North Koreans?


duke wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:08:36 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


• How can an Assumption be?


The Holy Spirit said so.


Assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.


duke wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:55:26 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

Right, we Catholics don't reject the Apocrapha simply because they were written

in Greek rather than Hebrew, or that they were written in Greece rather than the

Holy Land.


Actually, they were written in the Holy Land. The two books of the

Maccabees are about fundamentalist Jews attacking liberal Jews for

adopting Greek ways, such as the gymnasium, or foregoing circumcision.


You missed what I said. They were written in Greek rather than Hebrew, and/or

they were prepared in Greece rather than the holy land.

Not Greece, but Alexandria, presided over by the Ptolemies, where as many as a third of the population were Jews.


duke wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:38:56 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:

>

That assumes there is such a thing as ensoulment. Maybe there's no

such thing as a soul, only living brains deluding themselves that

there's a little person inside us pulling all the strings. And that

begs the question, who is pulling THAT person's strings?

>

In your case, it's satan.

That's not so bad. Satan adhered to the letter of the contract on the Job job, and in the Garden he corrected Yahweh's little white lie that Eve would die "in the day thereof" that she ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. So he's a faithful seraph devoted to truth.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


• As I understand it, neither he nor "Duke" are that little.


It's a common malady of those who live on USENET, surrounded by pizza boxes.


duke wrote:


Wow, I didn't know that. I wonder how a goat herder some 2700 years ago knew

what God did 13.7 billion years ago.

God did Creation Week in 4,163 BCE. Either that, or the Bible is wrong.

http://www.cleanposts.com/index.php/Age


Archangel Gabriel wrote:

Each time a woman intakes food or drink you can watch her being destroyed.

Each time a woman has sex you can watch her being destroyed.


Destroy me some more, baby!


BroilJAB wrote:

The High Court will jettison it

Never trust an unread 50,000 page Health Care Reform bill farther than you can throw it.


Dakota wrote:

When people talk about 'the Bible,' they don't seem to realize that it

is an ever changing document

He who spaketh unto Ephtshpareht, Maigollygoshgolah and Amog in the days of Najobullahdongblod (Hezekiah 13:9)


BroilJAB wrote:

www.answersingenesis.org/


Q. What is the definition of gross ignorance?

A. 144 fundies.


sbalneav wrote: >

Tautology. "In the book about our thing, we selected the things that were

about our thing". Well, yeah. That's obvious.

Redundant book title: Windows For Dummies


duke wrote:


The selected books that go into the Book of Books satisfies the criteria of

being in accordance with the teachings of Jesus Christ. And hence their

selection.

And the teachings of Jesus Christ that were used as criteria were given in the selected books. The bishops who selected these books was a group of insiders who greeted everyday Christians with their backsides; in other words, a closed circle of asses.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: On 2012-Mar-29 06:43, linuxgal wrote:


As a libertarian I still love the guy. He was the last president to make

the government debt actually get smaller rather than just talk about

doing it.


In all fairness, Obama likely would have accomplished the same thing if

not for the Republican Resistance that we see today.


True, under the Obama Adminstration the federal government is expanding, but it is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding government.


duke wrote:


I'm listening to Fox News right now. I hear them via my ears.


That explains much. What's next, Beck? Got your stash of ammunition and canned food?


Jason wrote:

<linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote:

Only a socialist president would make it impossible for new coal fired

plants to be constucted. >

Yeah, when Wilson closed the government buggy whip factories they called

him socialist too.



There is not need for buggy whips but there is still a need for coal fired

plants that are used to make electricity.



Naw, fracking has made natural gas very cheap.


Jason wrote:

<linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote: >

Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling programs. At least

some children are learning the truth about how life came to be on this

planet. >

What a shock when they try to apply at Uni.


They are also taught evolution THEORY.



You say "theory" like it's a bad thing.


Patrick wrote:


I really don't like Pizza. First day is OK.

Leftover Pizza is yuck.

>

Breakfast of champions!


Don Martin wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:38:38 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:55:26 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: > duke wrote: > Right, we Catholics don't reject the Apocrapha simply because they were written > in Greek rather than Hebrew, or that they were written in Greece rather than the > Holy Land.

Actually, they were written in the Holy Land. The two books of the

Maccabees are about fundamentalist Jews attacking liberal Jews for

adopting Greek ways, such as the gymnasium, or foregoing circumcision.

You missed what I said. They were written in Greek rather than Hebrew, and/or

they were prepared in Greece rather than the holy land.

Not Greece, but Alexandria, presided over by the Ptolemies,


Of whom the greatest was M'mumadun.


I'm partial to Cleo VII.


sbalneav wrote:

>

I'm mainly GNU/Linux these days, but I've administered Dec's, Digitals,

HPUX, RS6000, and a lot of Solaris. Worked on Suns back in the old SunOS

4.mumble days when it was still BSD based. One of these days I'll get a box

set up for OpenSolaris.

I got OSol on Virtual Box under Ubuntu. You gotta get this thing.


Calvin Ramsey wrote:

Only the Calvinist seems to take the fall of man seriously.

Everyone else sees man getting better.


Brian E. Clark wrote:

In article <oa-dnahTwpVj4unSnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com>,

linuxgal@cleanposts.com says...


I've asked how a supposedly disembodied soul can _feel_ the supposed heat

of their supposed hell. No theist has been able to coherently answer that. >

It's all simulated, like in The Matrix.


Strangely enough, I've seen such an explanation offered

with perfect conviction. When I point out that Neo had a

real body with a real brain, via which the aliens were

sending information about the virtual world comprising the

Matrix, I was met with a blank stare.


Yes, but in the hell scenario, God starts with billions of stock, off-the-shelf AI point awarenesses upon which he impresses the memories and personality of everyone who didn't accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Then those awarenesses are tormented for eternity. That will show them. They should have listened to Pat Robertson when they had a chance.


sbalneav wrote:

On 12-03-29 08:59 PM, linuxgal wrote:

sbalneav wrote:

>

I'm mainly GNU/Linux these days, but I've administered Dec's, Digitals,

HPUX, RS6000, and a lot of Solaris. Worked on Suns back in the old SunOS

4.mumble days when it was still BSD based. One of these days I'll get

a box

set up for OpenSolaris.

>

I got OSol on Virtual Box under Ubuntu. You gotta get this thing.

>

Played around much with zfs? I keep hearing how it's all that and a bag

of chips. It certainly seems interesting.

It's proprietary, and hasn't made it's way to Linux because it isn't GPL'd. When I test drive Open Solaris the underlying file system doesn't really rise to my attention.


• R. L. Measures. wrote:


    • The GOP is so put of touch with voters.


Democrats tolerate everything except conservatism.


Just Wondering wrote:


From the news, it sounds like that sort of thing still goes on in some 

African nations to this very day.


The UN council on Human Rights includes such luminaries as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, China, Kyrgyzstan (which does the extraordinary renditions for the CIA), Thailand, Russia, and Cuba, so if slavery is still going on in some African countries, take it up with them.

Heh.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:37:59 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

I'm listening to Fox News right now. I hear them via my ears.


That explains much. What's next, Beck? Got your stash of ammunition

and canned food?


As long as buckwheat is in office, America is in trouble of being overrun.


Q. What do you call Obama, Biden, and Dolly Parton in the same elevator?

A. Two boobs and a country music star.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:43:39 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:38:56 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: >

That assumes there is such a thing as ensoulment. Maybe there's no

such thing as a soul, only living brains deluding themselves that

there's a little person inside us pulling all the strings. And that

begs the question, who is pulling THAT person's strings?

In your case, it's satan.

That's not so bad. Satan adhered to the letter of the contract on the

Job job, and in the Garden he corrected Yahweh's little white lie that

Eve would die "in the day thereof" that she ate of the fruit of the Tree

of Knowledge of Good and Evil. So he's a faithful seraph devoted to truth.


How long was a day then?


Shorter. Friction due to solar and lunar tides are slowly braking the Earth's rotation.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:29:28 -0400, MarkA <nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote:


True. The Pope is savvy enough to keep himself surrounded by an army

of yes men.


They are all intelligent men.


BRUSSELS - A Roman Catholic bishop has called on EU leaders who are Christians to speak out against the Vatican if it makes "stupid" remarks, such as a recent declaration that homosexuality causes paedophilia.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:56:37 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Peter could be sitting on the shitter, but if he pronounces something

pertaining to faith or morals (with faith defined as acceptance of

divinely revealed things, such as Christ's prophesy of his death), then

he teaches without error. But this fails the scripture test.


That's why it's ex-cathedra.


Jesus, Duke, ex cathedra means, literally, "from the chair". Hold out your knuckles, Sister Linuxgal has a ruler with your name on it.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:19:05 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


• R. L. Measures. wrote: >

    • You left out the part about Pope Peter's error of not requiring that

priests vow not to have sex with females - thereby attracting men who had

no desire whatsoever to have sex with females. >

Well, Pope Peter had a mother-in-law, which meant that he had a wife.

He didn't want to be a hypocrite, so he left that to his successor popes.


Celibacy is a choice of the priesthood, not dogma.


But it's mandatory that they choose it.


duke wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:44:15 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:

>

duke wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:14:09 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:

>

duke wrote:

>

And God said human life starts with the first cell split.

They knew about cells in those days? Cool.

Yeah, God invented cells.

>

Well I'm trying to figure out where God SAID human life started with a

cell. I hope you didn't just pull that out the same place Obama gets

his unemployment projections.

>

God gave all of us the intelligence to figure it out for ourselves. Some use

this ability, some don't.

>

Well, use your intelligence to figure out where God said life starts with the first cell split, or retract the claim.

Actually, God said Jeremiah's life began when he was still a Hershey Bar in his dad's back pocket.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


duke wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:52:30 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:

>
>

    • In LA the $662,000,000 settlement was under 2% hetero, 98% homo.
>

That's what I figured - very few pedos.

>

Your own Roman Curia says homosexuality leads to pedophilia.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:13:49 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


You can posit an eternal universe, or an eternal God who then creates

the universe later. Atheists just cut out the middle man.


No such evidence.

Occam's Razor. Thou Shalt Not Multiply Entities Needlessly.


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:26:25 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

You make 'em, you feed 'em. Unless you're morally vacant.


Is that what your omnibenevolent God does after he makes new Somalis and

North Koreans?


God doesn't make new Somalis and NKoreans.

The prophet Isaiah saw it differently.

49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.


duke wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:29:32 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <goddess@fidemturbare.com wrote:


How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?


109 acres estimated.


You forgot the other 177 million acres. Only the sovereigns of the KSA and UK have more land.

http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1


Jason wrote:


If America is still a country 100 years from now, the scientists living at

that time will be teaching information that they are NOT teaching this

year. That means most everything they teach in evolution related classes

is false information.


Creationism is demonstrably false now, and we don't have to wait 100 years.

This is the model of the universe which is presented in Genesis.

http://www.cleanposts.com/images/6/67/Firm2.png


Jason wrote:


You say "theory" like it's a bad thing.


My point was that macro evolution is a theory and not a FACT.


There is no such thing as macroevolution anyway. It's all micro. And the changes happen over deep time.



Jason wrote:


The facts of evolution showed scientists what they needed to develop the

theory of evolution. There are no facts of creation.


Yes, there is. ICR has published dozens of books about creation.


A fact is observed data. What observations did ICR publish, other than they think Darwin was a caca doodoo head?



Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



God didn't want to know what happened, so He gave Himself amnesia so He

would be surprised. He's powerful enough to do that. And that's why He

gave us free will. So He could enjoy us and we could make Him happy and

giddy.

If Mulletstein is a real theist I nominate this for the TQotM. If he's a snark artist, then never mind.


Tom Potter wrote:

"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in message

news:Dbidnc0rXsyU4enSnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>

Tom Potter wrote:

>

"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote in message

news:Q8ydndYo4KEOJu7SnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>

Steve O wrote: > > Why on earth would an atheist want to keep an archive about atheism?

>

I suppose it would same time when the fundies roll out the same old

arguments.

>

I trust that "linuxgal" will explain what she means by "fundies"

and what "the same old arguments" are.

>

Fundies are people who adhere doggedly to unfalsifiable theories of

origin, and fall back on their book (Bible, Q'u'r'a'n) when they are

cornered by observational evidence to the contrary. >

The same old arguments are, including but not limited to, objections to

infinite regress, argument from fine-tuning, objections to the strawman

known as "macroevolution", the water canopy, irreducable complexity,

argument from miracles, ontological argument, Pascal's Wager, appeal to

authority, argumentum ad populum, argumentum ad naseaum...


Thanks to "linuxgal" for explaining

what she meant by "fundies"

what "the same old arguments" are,


but she didn't explain what this had to

do with my post.

My post was in reply to Steve O. His post was in reply to you. So take it up with him.


sbalneav wrote: Smiler <Youmustbe@joeking.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:47:01 -0700, yjk wrote:


<snip>


The 'New Romantics' era, when men wore make-up, was in the 1970s.


So do you picture yjk as Ziggy Stardust Bowie, Thin White Duke Bowie,

or Berlin Bowie?


I'm thinkin TWD. Dave was pretty coked out in those days, and yjk

makes about as much sense.

Ashes to ashes, funk to funky We know Major Tom's a junkie Strung out on heaven's high Hitting an all time low.


Big Steel wrote: On 3/30/2012 9:01 AM, linuxgal wrote: Just Wondering wrote: >

From the news, it sounds like that sort of thing still goes on in some

African nations to this very day. > >

The UN council on Human Rights includes such luminaries as Qatar, Saudi

Arabia, China, Kyrgyzstan (which does the extraordinary renditions for

the CIA), Thailand, Russia, and Cuba, so if slavery is still going on in

some African countries, take it up with them. >


All started by what?


http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/guns-germs-and-steel/


Africa is stilling reeling from the European encounter.

I don't have a dog in that hunt, my background is Asian.


Tom Potter wrote: >

It is a short, concise explanation of what Gos is

and what God expects from mankind.


http://184.105.237.216/~tompotte/god.html


Here's a shorter one (it's between the quotes). ---

""



HVAC wrote: On 3/30/2012 4:49 AM, Painius wrote: > >

And Harlow, you feel free to chime right in, because if I'm not

mistaken, you do not accept that the Universe is infinite. And yet,

here it is, quite the mainstream, Ned Wright, description.



The universe is finite, yet unbounded.


We don't know it's finite. We can only see to the observable horizon.


{:-]))) wrote: David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com wrote:


So do you know of any living or past (even in folktales)

figures who have gone through a similar thorny experience?


Well, there was that Jesus fellow.


Master Je Tzu, we call him in my circles.


mind wrote:


When a church is razed, for whatever "reason"

the righteous, or just, will see it in the light

of faith. Whatever the so-called, "cause",

the justification will take the believer

from faith to faith.


Faith in the science of lightning rods would have prevented such a tragedy.


{:-]))) wrote:


Once upon a time

there was a furnace

into which three young men

were thrown for some reason or other.


Within the oven was seen a fourth.

Exactly who that one forth was

may be part of a mystery.

Some say the fourth one was the twelvth Imam, Some say Jesus or Hubbard or shit. Which makes me think the fourth was really Dr. Hermann Rorschach


{:-]))) wrote: >

Discipline in terms of food, for me,

tends to be vanity. I can trim down

but ask myself why? Why do I want to appear,

why do I want this body I call me to look

as if it was 18, or 30, years old? >

Thus it is that the Tao produces all asses, Nourishes them, brings them to their full growth, Nurses them, completes them, matures them, maintains them, and Overspreads them.


HVAC wrote: On 3/29/2012 7:46 PM, sbalneav wrote: > >

Obviously, we can never see back to the beginning. >

More to the point, the universe is only about 13.7 billion years old.

The MAXIMUM distance we can see would be about 13.7 billion light years.


No. It took some time for the first stars to form and begin

nuclear fusion. Before that, the universe was 'dark'.

The universe was never dark. That background radiation that you measure as matching the black body radiation of an object at 2.7 deg K used to be centered in the visual band, and higher, because space-time wasn't quite so stretched out in those days.


HVAC wrote: On 3/30/2012 10:35 AM, linuxgal wrote: HVAC wrote: On 3/30/2012 4:49 AM, Painius wrote: > >

And Harlow, you feel free to chime right in, because if I'm not

mistaken, you do not accept that the Universe is infinite. And yet,

here it is, quite the mainstream, Ned Wright, description. > >

The universe is finite, yet unbounded. > >

We don't know it's finite. We can only see to the observable horizon.


Since time is finite, (at least in one direction) then the

universe is finite.... Yet it remains unbounded.


By analogy, a flat sheet of infinite area is finite along the z axis, but infinite along the x and y axes.


Marvin the Martian wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:16:56 -0700, linuxgal wrote:


Moral of this story: Don't fuck with Einstein.


Einstein has been wrong many times; he was wrong about the cosmological

constant, he was wrong when he denounced Father LeMaitre's big bang

theory as "Catholic Science", he was wrong about the EPR paradox...


Actually, he got the cosmological constant thing right, but he didn't know it was attributable to the repulsion of dark energy.


Don Martin wrote:

>

And let us remember that while Zeus can be a nasty SOB from time to time

(castrating one's father _is_ rather beyond the pale in most societies), he

never wiped out large swatches of the population out of anger and

disappointment.

Zeus was more about Predator drone type lightning strikes than area carpet bombing.


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:07:02 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

>

How long was a day then?


Shorter. Friction due to solar and lunar tides are slowly braking the

Earth's rotation.


I can accept the "shorter" answer. But how long was a day then?


The exact rate varied with each collision. It doesn't matter. You accept the shorter answer, so you can't twist scripture to get a six day week that lasts for millions of years.


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:55:08 -0700, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

Those were brass chariots. Up Canaan way they had genuine iron ones,

put the fear of science into God.

The result was the same.


Yeah, God wasn't able to hand over the Promised Land to the Chosen

People on schedule.


Oh, nooooo. He got them there EXACTLY on his time schedule.


Really? They were already forty years behind the original schedule and the iron chariot things just exacerbated things.

Numbers 14:

[22] Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

[23] Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:10:28 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:56:37 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: >

Peter could be sitting on the shitter, but if he pronounces something

pertaining to faith or morals (with faith defined as acceptance of

divinely revealed things, such as Christ's prophesy of his death), then

he teaches without error. But this fails the scripture test.

That's why it's ex-cathedra.


Jesus, Duke, ex cathedra means, literally, "from the chair". Hold out

your knuckles, Sister Linuxgal has a ruler with your name on it.


You don't understand. Why does it fail the scripture test?

Because if infallibility is limited to teachings on faith and morals, the first thing Peter did as Pope was demonstrate a lack of faith in Christ's prophesy that he would be crucified. He should have kept his mouth shut if he didn't believe.

I anticipate you will salvage this by saying infallibility only kicks in when Peter is actually sitting on his throne as the Bishop of Rome in St. John Lateran. Well, Peter didn't even get to Rome until at least the Sixties. Most of his time was spent in Antioch, Syria. And that negates your "32 AD" claim,


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:10:52 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:19:05 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: >

Well, Pope Peter had a mother-in-law, which meant that he had a wife.

He didn't want to be a hypocrite, so he left that to his successor popes.

Celibacy is a choice of the priesthood, not dogma.


But it's mandatory that they choose it.


We now have some married priests in the RCC who came in from the Episcopalian

priesthood.


Yes, but if their wife dies, they must choose celibacy and cannot marry again, while that option remains open to any Roman Catholic layman.


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:06:59 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


• Paul VI was so over the top anti-Jewish that some of his speeches had

to be removed from public view. Pope Paul VI not only defended Pius XII's

silence during the extermination of the Jews -- he tried to convince the

world that Pius XII had really done the right thing! In his Passion Sunday

Sermon for 1965, Paul VI blamed the entire Jewish race for slandering and

killing Jesus.


You mean like buckwheat always blaming President Bush for his problems?


Obama Computer Virus: Makes Turbo Tax raid your Quicken folder, then it shuts your computer down and blames Bush.


HVAC wrote: >

This is why AGW deniers are all insane.



What the fuck does FTL neutrinos have to do with global warming? >

Same rush to publish as Pons and Fleischmann of cold fusion infamy. Same lack of attention to detail.


Logan Sacket wrote:


Since the science community has been prostituted by the government and

it's funding, hence the global warming scandle, why wouldn't college

educated people be skeptical?

You subsidize what you want and tax what you don't want. If there's grant money for research that supports AGW, then that's what they get.


John Manning cited (snipped to bring out the point):


>In a 51-47 vote, 43 Senate Republicans and four Democrats filibustered
>to protect $24 billion in tax breaks for Big Oil.
>
>The oil industry spent over $146,000,000 on lobbying last year.
>

Put $146 million up front to get $24 billion, not a bad investment. Too bad our democracy is for sale.


duke wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:05:53 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <goddess@fidemturbare.com wrote:


On 2012-Mar-30 06:23, linuxgal wrote: >

Occam's Razor. Thou Shalt Not Multiply Entities Needlessly.

Apparently there's a new religion being formed for that. I recall that

there was some spam posted for it here in alt.atheism recently, but I'm

having trouble remembering what it was called.


I think it's called "fidem linux".


Linux has gurus. Mac has evangelists. Windows has penitents.


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:23:00 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:13:49 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: >

You can posit an eternal universe, or an eternal God who then creates

the universe later. Atheists just cut out the middle man.

No such evidence.

Occam's Razor. Thou Shalt Not Multiply Entities Needlessly.


The simple answer goes to the evidence.


It works like this: If you are presented with two sequences of events, the shorter one is true:

1. I had a headache. 2. I prayed to God 3. I took aspirin. 4. My headache went away.

OR

1. I had a headache. 2. I took aspirin. 3. My headache went away.



duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:17:00 +0100, Les Hellawell <les_not@here.com wrote:


Since no evidence is presented Dukes claims are dismissed

automatically


And since you provide no support for there being no God, your claims are

dismissed automatically.


You provide no support for there being no descent with variation. Your claims of the intervention of a deity are dismissed automatically.


duke wrote:


No, it IS correct. I waste my time preparing an answer and you just say "that's

not evidence". When you are prepared to explain your support for why there is

no God, then I can then say "that's not support". A discussion is meaningless

unless you are prepared to meet me half way.


There is an invisible elf green named Kazoo who rides on my shoulder. A discussion about his existence is meaningless unless you are prepared to meet me half way.


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:19:21 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:52:30 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote: >

    • In LA the $662,000,000 settlement was under 2% hetero, 98% homo.

That's what I figured - very few pedos. >

Your own Roman Curia says homosexuality leads to pedophilia.


No, it doesn't.


On the contrary:

SANTIAGO, Chile — The Vatican's second-highest authority says the sex scandals haunting the Roman Catholic Church are linked to homosexuality and not celibacy among priests.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican's secretary of state, made the comments during a news conference Monday in Chile, where one of the church's highest-profile pedophile cases involves a priest having sex with young girls.

"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and pedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia. That is true," said Bertone. "That is the problem."


Thank you for playing, Duke, please drive through.


duke wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:



The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church

parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is

its own separate public juridic person.


And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.


HVAC wrote: On 3/31/2012 11:04 AM, RLW wrote: >

Yet as I recall they didn't believe the elusive little critters were

travelling faster than the speed of light. They believed they'd made an

error and were inviting others to help find it.



Is that why he 'resigned'?


His wife was at the press conference. He said he had done much prayer about the situation, and God told him he needed to spend more quality time with his family.


Jason wrote:

In article <g4Wdndzj7ttYzuvSnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com>, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Jason wrote: >

I don't think that will happen. My rapture beliefs are based on the

Bible--not the strange beliefs of the JWs. I seem to remember that they

believe a secret rapture took place about a 50 years ago. >

I hope you're not pre-trib, Jesus said he was coming "after the

tribulation of those days".


Yes, I am a pre-triber. >

Too bad. You don't want to be in the first batch, they get burned.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.



Jason wrote:


I believe the ICR books are truthful.


From ICR's Henry Morris and his The Beginning Of the World, Second 

Edition (1991), pp. 147-148:

The descendants of Ham were marked especially for secular service to mankind. Indeed they were to be 'servants of servants,' that is 'servants extraordinary!' Although only Canaan is mentioned specifically (possibly because the branch of Ham's family through Canaan would later come into most direct contact with Israel), the whole family of Ham is in view. The prophecy is worldwide in scope and, since Shem and Japheth are covered, all Ham's descendants must be also. These include all nations which are neither Semitic nor Japhetic. Thus, all of the earth's 'colored' races,--yellow, red, brown, and black--essentially the Afro-Asian group of peoples, including the American Indians--are possibly Hamitic in origin and included within the scope of the Canaanitic prophecy, as well as the Egyptians, Sumerians, Hittites, and Phoenicians of antiquity.



Larry wrote:


However, the universe became transparent to neutrinos about 1 second after

the big bang. That's of only academic interest, since the universe was

probably so homogeneous that the neutrino background would just be white

noise with no structure.

And since almost everything is transparent to neutrinos, in practical terms there's little means to glean information. About all we can do now is note the time delay between a supernova and a neutrino burst and set a lower limit on their rest mass.


sbalneav wrote:

>

It's odd that the older Gods, while, powerful, were never really considered to

be omni-anything. Neither omniscient, nor omnipotent, and certainly not

omnibenevolent.

This applies to the Judeo-Christian God as well. The farther back you go in scripture, the less aloof and powerful he appears, to the point of

 being clueless about what's happening in Babel, or where Adam and Eve 

are hiding, or how to make Jacob cry uncle in a wrassling match.


thomas p. wrote:

"linuxgal" <linuxgal@cleanposts.com skrev i meddelelsen

news:GoSdnY4_AoREgurSnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com... >

There is an invisible elf green named Kazoo who rides on my shoulder. A

discussion about his existence is meaningless unless you are prepared to

meet me half way.



The evidence for Kazoo is all around us. Furthermore your personal, written

testimony is clearly evidence. Duke probably hates Kazoo and will,

therefore, deny his existence.


That is duke's prerogative, because Kazoo created him with free will. However, if he fails to see Kazoo with eyes of faith, then when he dies he will not remember how to answer the Questioners, and he will be cast into a vat of boiling hyena vomit for all time.


Jason wrote:

>

I don't think that will happen. My rapture beliefs are based on the

Bible--not the strange beliefs of the JWs. I seem to remember that they

believe a secret rapture took place about a 50 years ago.


Yeah, your secret rapture was 1988, oops, 2000, oops, 2007, oops, 2012.




Jason wrote: >

Are they teaching the exact same information in high school biology

classes this year--that they taught 100 years ago?


Your buddy Hal Lindsey wrote "1980s: Countdown to Armageddon", which is so lame you can't even find it at thrift shops anymore. So it works both ways.



BJACOBY@teranews.com wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:25 AM, HVAC wrote: On 3/30/2012 6:16 PM, linuxgal wrote:


Moral of this story: Don't fuck with Einstein. >

Couldn't have said it better myself!


OK, Class. Did everyone get HVAC's point here? In Science there are

certain accepted FACTS. Evolution is FACT. That there are no UFOs is

FACT. That Einstein's rules of physics are FACT.

Facts are data points. Theories are models which use those data points to make predictions about future data points. Theories are ranked in order of how thoroughly this predictive process has been carried out. Einstein's theory is superb. Descent with variation is useful. Quantum loop gravity is tentative. UFO's exist, I saw one myself that was later identified as a Soviet first stage booster. But it's very tentative to identify them as piloted craft from other planets. Intelligent Design is more tentative than George Bush answering a question about Saddam's biological weapons while Cheney is drinking a glass of water.


Jason wrote:

>

Interesting but it means nothing. Millions of jobs will be lost in the

coal industry during the next 20 or more years. Obama and liberals don't

care about the loss of those millions of jobs.

Yeah, it will be worse than all those jobs that were lost pulling out asbestos when the government stuck their nose into private industry's business. Damn communists.


John Doe wrote:

rL somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


spending a very suspicious amount of time in private with two

sisters -- much to the dismay of the 12 Disciples.


That is bullshit. There is nothing in the Bible that remotely

suggests Jesus had any sort of sexual relationship, or even that

he spent time in private (out of plain sight) with a woman.



On the contrary, it is written (John 8:9) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Went "out" means they were indoors. Specifically, the temple.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: On 2012-Mar-31 09:09, linuxgal wrote: >

Linux has gurus.

Mac has evangelists.

Windows has penitents.


What does DOS have?


Gamers. DOS bypasses the Windows API calls for throwing shit on the screen, so it's faster than snot.


John Doe wrote:

linuxgal <linuxgal cleanposts.com wrote:


That is bullshit. There is nothing in the Bible that remotely

suggests Jesus had any sort of sexual relationship, or even

that he spent time in private (out of plain sight) with a

woman. > >

On the contrary, it is written (John 8:9) And they which heard

it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by

one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was

left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.


That does not remotely suggest that Jesus had a sexual

relationship. And that's your only example. That is a pathetic

excuse for suggesting that Jesus spent time in private with a

woman or had sexual relations.


I didn't suggest that he had a sexual relationship, only that you were in error to assert that Jesus was never alone with a woman out of plain sight.


duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:14:57 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

No, it IS correct. I waste my time preparing an answer and you just say "that's

not evidence". When you are prepared to explain your support for why there is

no God, then I can then say "that's not support". A discussion is meaningless

unless you are prepared to meet me half way.


There is an invisible elf green named Kazoo who rides on my shoulder. A

discussion about his existence is meaningless unless you are prepared to

meet me half way.


I don't BELIEVE in an invisible elf green named kazoo. Can you provide evidence

for one, which I can then just proclaim "that's not evidence".


That's not how mocking works. I'm the mocker, you're the mockee. You don't get to flip my mocks around and mock right back with the same technique, because that means you didn't understand that your first claim was properly mocked.


duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 13:42:33 -0400, ThomMadura <Tommadura@optonline.net wrote:


On 3/31/2012 7:46 AM, Andrew wrote:

"Les Hellawell" wrote in message news:n6jdn7t912k345jqr45j83quuupm42n43t@4ax.com... "Andrew" wrote: > > "For myself, faith begins with a realization that > a supreme intelligence brought the universe into > being and created man. It is not difficult for me > to have this faith, for it is incontrovertible that > where there is a plan, there is intelligence, an > orderly, unfolding universe testifies to the truth > of the most majestic statement ever uttered.. >

           'in the beginning God.' "

>> >

          ~ Dr. Arthur H. Compton,

>

             Nobel laureate in physics

How uninteresting, somebodies elese relgious

beliefs

Perhaps the truth thereof makes you uncomfortable,

because it is incontrovertible.


WHEN YOU can prove that there can be morning and evening on earth - with

the earth being stationary and UNMOVABLE in the sky - and the sun NOT

having been created yet - by all means POST THAT PROOF


Earth, what earth. Gen 1 doesn't talk about the earth and sol.


On the contrary, it is written (Gen 1:10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

In another place it is written (Gen 1:16-17) And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.



duke wrote:


13.7 billion years is an eternity for most of us.


Not for me, I missed most of it.


ThomMadura wrote:


So - when confronted with that many choices - the first thing an

intelligent person does it look to see if the PERFECT UNERRING god - is

claimed to said anything that CANNOT BE TRUE - in reality.


Well - one cannot get past the very first page of the bible to see a

bunch of those.

I would say the first big error was that God created every animal to be a vegetarian.

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


Free Lunch wrote:


Funny how the author of this passage never noticed that the moon is

around during the day as much as it is during the night. Of course the

moon is not a light, but a reflecting body, but I wouldn't expect the

priest to know that.

They go on to assert that the Moon produces photosynthesis:

DEUT 33:13-14 Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath, and for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote: On 2012-Mar-31 09:11, linuxgal wrote: duke wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:23:00 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com> wrote: > duke wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:13:49 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote: >>

You can posit an eternal universe, or an eternal God who then

creates the universe later. Atheists just cut out the middle man. > No such evidence.

Occam's Razor. Thou Shalt Not Multiply Entities Needlessly. >

The simple answer goes to the evidence. > >

It works like this: If you are presented with two sequences of events,

the shorter one is true: >

1. I had a headache.

2. I prayed to God

3. I took aspirin.

4. My headache went away. >

OR >

1. I had a headache.

2. I took aspirin.

3. My headache went away.


...and with enough time it could be even shorter without aspirin:


1. I had a headache.

2. My headache went away.


Shorter yet:

1. Duke is a headache.


John Doe wrote:

linuxgal <linuxgal cleanposts.com wrote:


John Doe wrote:

linuxgal <linuxgal cleanposts.com wrote: > > That is bullshit. There is nothing in the Bible that remotely > suggests Jesus had any sort of sexual relationship, or even > that he spent time in private (out of plain sight) with a > woman. >> >>

On the contrary, it is written (John 8:9) And they which heard

it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by

one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus

was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

That does not remotely suggest that Jesus had a sexual

relationship. And that's your only example. That is a pathetic

excuse for suggesting that Jesus spent time in private with a

woman or had sexual relations. >

I didn't suggest that he had a sexual relationship, only that

you were in error to assert that Jesus was never alone with a

woman


Obviously Jesus was not alone. The woman was there.

That's what "alone with a woman" means.


Someone to

remember/record the incident was there.

John Boanerges didn't write a biography of Jesus, that was reserved to the Synoptics. His gospel was written in the 90s CE as a theological treatise, mainly to emphasize the deity of Christ against gnostic claims otherwise. So the crap he wrote was largely pulled out of his ass. For one thing, there's no way he was anywhere near the crucifixion. The women followers of Jesus were allowed to watch "from a distance" but the Romans wouldn't let any male follower near the execution site, and they were all denying they even knew Jesus anyway so they wouldn't be arrested too.



raven1 wrote:


I'm reminded of the observation that the New Testament contains

teachings that are original and good. Unfortunately, the ones that are

good are not original, and the ones that are original are not good.

This teaching must be original, because it ain't good:

2 Thessalonians 2:

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God makes unbelievers not believe, then damns them.


HVAC wrote: On 3/30/2012 4:12 PM, Sir Gilligan Horry wrote: > >

A good honest UFO debunker.

You'll get an extra two suns and all those sun's planets

when we rule the Galaxy soon ! >

It will be a near impossible major task to find some planets without

life. But for you Mr HVAC we will scan Trillions of planets to find

the rare lifeless ones.



We have many examples of lifeless planets in our solar system.


So far, we have a good working hypotheses. If x is the number of planets, the number of planets with no life is x-1.


Andrew wrote:

"Budikka666" wrote in message news:jl7ik1$21k$2@dont-email.me...


http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/03/

why_is_there_something_instead.php >

Budikka


When you consider our vast universe in light of the first law of

Thermodynamics, then you begin to see that there has to be an

omnipotent God, who is greater than the universe and who has

awesome creative powers.


>

The law applies to closed systems, so how do you use the law to derive the existence of something outside of that system? Or are you just tossing fancy words around because they sound cool?


Free Lunch wrote:


Only in this system. The evidence is being gathered about planets that

shows that there are a large number of planets of a Goldilocks size in a

Goldilocks zone. There's no reason to think that many will be without

life.

As recently as the 20th Century scientists took the default position that life was on Mars, that's why so many astronomers "saw" artificial canals there. We've just moved the same wishful thinking out a few light years. How about we get evidence of actual extraterrestrial life before celebrating?


Free Lunch wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:54:47 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>

wrote in alt.talk.creationism:


"David Canzi" wrote in message news:jl79ll$pum$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca... Andrew wrote:

"For myself, faith

Faith and incontrovertibility are mutually contradictory.

Faith may be based on incontrovertible evidence.


If I have evidence, I have no use for faith. Faith is believing

something that is completely unsupported by any facts.

I like Mark Twain's definition, that faith is believing in things you know ain't so.


ThomMadura wrote:


Last year - duke posted something that indicated that he really did not

know where the mechanics of Human procreation.


That's not surprising, since he gets all his teachings in that area from ostensibly celibate Roman Catholic priests.


Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:15:38 -0500, Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote: >

The Republican objection to the health care mandate is that Obama is in

favor of it. There was a time when they supported it.


Heck, it's Romney's scheme in the first place, from when he was

governor of Massachusetts.

How many Democrats rejected Medicare Part D because Dubya was pushing it? Oh yeah, almost all of them.



Andrew wrote:


A blueprint is a detailed plan, and there is no plan

without an intelligent agent who made such *plan*.


This fact is incontrovertible.


Or in other words, unfalsifiable. That's why we say ID is unscientific.



ThomMadura wrote:


Over the last few years - duke has proclaimed often that he has 100%

evidence of the existence of his god

Well, it must be like the 100% evidence for Noah's Ark, Bigfoot, flying saucers, and the telegram where Bobby Kennedy orders the hit on Norma Jean Baker. He can't reveal it to us right now because it would result in too much social shock and disorientation.


Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:



"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote in message

news:vmvdn7tvag1g604dvl8j8plmpuddevtcs1@4ax.com... >

She is the mother of the Son of God, who is himself God.


She is not literally His mother, and He is not literally His father.

It's a parable. He actually implanted an egg He created into Mary. She

was not the biological father of Jesus, Jesus was.

Kind of like Heinlein's novel "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" when Lazarus Long travels to the era of the Great War and becomes his own daddy.


Free Lunch wrote:


I certainly want scientists to wait until they have evidence before they

make claims, but the evidence we have to date implies that there is life

elsewhere in the universe and that it would be foolish to assume

otherwise.

It's already too late, ever since 1925 with that boxing match blow-by-blow over the radio we've been broadcasting "We Are Here" to every Borg Cube and Klingon Battlecruiser out there.


sbalneav wrote: In alt.atheism Hannele <hannele@lycos.nl wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:31:36 +0200, sbalneav <sbalneav@alburg.net wrote: >

In alt.atheism Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess <goddess@fidemturbare.com wrote: On 2012-Mar-29 12:19, linuxgal wrote: sbalneav wrote: >>

Tautology. "In the book about our thing, we selected the things that

were

about our thing". Well, yeah. That's obvious. > Redundant book title: Windows For Dummies

"Unix made easy" could also be a funny title.

As a Unix/Linux admin, I take umbrage with that :)

You take umbrage with that title because Unix can't be made easy? ;)


"Unix is very user friendly. It's just picky about who its friends with."

Most people just can't come to greps with it.


Dakota wrote: On 3/31/2012 11:14 PM, Truth and honesty wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:01:22 -0300, John Manning wrote: >

FILE UNDER: G.W. Bush *Conspicuously Absent* from GOP Presidential Race

- I Can't Imagine Why, Can You? >

This is to be expected as Bush and other old presidents will come in once

the Republican convention decides on a candidate. >


The first President Bush has endorsed Romney. The reason Bush II hasn't

been seen is that he's toxic.

It's touching that liberals are thinking about Dubya and want him back in the limelight though.


{:-]))) wrote: linuxgal wrote: {:-]))) wrote:

>

Well, there was that Jesus fellow. >

Master Je Tzu, we call him in my circles.


What's your take on crop circles?


I'm curious about opinions others have.

I'm easy to dupe, being an idiot and all.

Seems to me they could be real in ways.


They're a practical joke started by a couple of drunks in Old Blighty. The funny thing is, they've come out and admitted it, and showed the little contraption they use to beat down the circles, but true believers won't let it go. They're a lot like Young Earth Creationists in this way.


duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:36:16 -0700, rL@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:


• He did research there to write "Vicars of Christ".


Vicars of Christ has nothing to do with the Inquisition except in individual

cases.


The pain in Spain falls mainly with the cane.


duke wrote:


All violations of the 10 commandments are categorized in the lie.


For the sake of your immortal soul I hope you realize that there's a commandment that says REMEMBER the Sabbath and keep it holy, and do no work on that day. It's Saturday. If you think it's Sunday, you're believing a lie.


duke wrote:

>

• To a nubile 17-yr old with anti-gravity mammaries, the Vow of Celibacy

stands little chance.


The devil in drag??


He's just a sweet transvestite from Transsexual, Transylvania.



duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:19:42 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote: >

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia

As with sexual preference in general, it is not known what causes someone to

prefer a pubescent rather than an adult individual for sexual reasons.

I agree, but your Roman Curia seems to "know" it's caused by homosexuality, which is my point.


Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican's secretary of state, made the

comments during a news conference Monday in Chile, where one of the

church's highest-profile pedophile cases involves a priest having sex

with young girls. >

"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no

relation between celibacy and pedophilia. But many others have

demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation

between homosexuality and pedophilia. That is true," said Bertone. "That

is the problem."


Thank you for playing, Duke, please drive through.


You're welcome. At our next session, we'll tackle hebephilia.


Take it up with your clergy.


duke wrote:


I had a black cat cross my path leaving Church yesterday. I was a nervous wreck

for over 2 hours.


That's what happens when you get a weekly megaboost of superstition like that.


duke wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:29:42 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <goddess@fidemturbare.com wrote:


On 2012-Mar-31 09:22, linuxgal wrote: duke wrote: >

The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church

parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual

parish is its own separate public juridic person.

And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking

lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the

bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets

recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.


The lucky ones merely get ex-communicated.


Excommunication is easy to remedy in a good repentant confession.


Exactly. All they have to do is confess that they were wrong to assume the Vatican did not own the land, and all is forgiven.


duke wrote:


http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=20357

HUNTINGTON, Ind. (Our Sunday Visitor) ? Who owns your local parish: The members

of the parish or your bishop? According to the Catholic Church (and its canon

laws dating back a millennium or so), the answer is the parishioners.


Yes, that's called a firewall. Michael Corleone used similar buffers in Godfather II. But when the Vatican wanted to remodel St. Thomas from old school to "in the round" we had no say in the matter.


Alex W. wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:41:02 -0800, Jason wrote:


I don't want America to ever become a third world nation. Do you?


When it comes to soial services, medical services and

infrastructure, you already are a third-world nation.

Sure, that's why they keep trying to sneak in.


NoBody wrote:


Got ya -- do it my way or get shut down. Watch what you ask for you

may just get it if orphanges, Catholic schools and hospitals shut

down. You think there's suffering now....


And the Church would do it, too, just to make a theological point.


HVAC wrote:


I'm pathetic enough to know that nothing can travel faster than

light in our universe. Anyone that says differently can take the

same exit as the Director of OPERA in Italy.


Two photons emerge from a beam-splitter in Denver. One of them is right-hand circular polarized (the electric and magnetic fields twist 360 degrees to the right once per cycle), the other one twists left, but no one knows which is which. They are allowed to fly apart down separate fiber optic cables, one to Richland, Washington, the other to Oak Ridge, Tennesee. In Richland, the photon is measured to have a left-hand polarization. This observation instantly (faster than is possible by the speed limit c) causes the wavefunction of the photon in the national laboratory in Tennessee to resolve as a Southpaw.

Action at a distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox



HVAC wrote: On 3/31/2012 8:26 PM, Antares 531 wrote: > >

"There are over 200,000 galaxies filling this image !!! >

As the Bible says, "In my Father's house are many mansions...."


The Harry Potter stories tell of flying via broom.


PS- Jesus prattled on about giving away all worldly goods

and the difficulties of a rich man attaining heaven like

a camel through the eye of a needle...So what's up with the

mansion?

And these mansions all have to fit inside a house, which makes me suspect they are about as impressive as the "forts" we used to build out of our bunk beds.



duke wrote:


Big mistake there. Honor is given to us by the one and only almighty God. You

may not accept God's presence, but if you have honor, you are responding

positively to our God who calls us to love one another as he loves us.

That explains why Duke slanders Obama by claiming that he "admitted in an interview that he was of the muslim faith".



• R. L. Measures. wrote:


• Here in California we get to vote on California Supreme Court

appointees. I think we should be able to do the same thing nationally.

Justice Scalia needs to go since he goes more by the Republican Party

platform than he goes by the Constitution.


<eyeroll>But Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer are just moderates like most Americans who never legislate from the bench.</eyeroll>


Jeanne Douglas wrote:


The old white guys who run the Mormon Church were indeed under pressure

from the government. But, miracle of miracles, they got a "sign from

god" that told them to change that policy.

But still to this day, blacks for Brigham Young is a lot like chickens for Colonel Sanders.


Jason wrote:



Not true. If they claim that mankind evolved from an ape-like creature--it

has not been proved to be true.



We didn't evolve FROM ape-like creatures, we ARE ape-like creatures.


Jason wrote:


Please don't post what the Mormons state about Cain. I seem to recall (and

could be wrong) that the Mormons believe Cain's descendants were cursed by

God and as a result they became black people. For many years, they would

not allow black people to rise in ranks within the church. The gov't

forced them to change that policy.


Book of Mormon

Alma 3

[6] And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.

[7] And their brethren sought to destroy them, therefore they were cursed; and the Lord God set a mark upon them, yea, upon Laman and Lemuel, and also the sons of Ishmael, and Ishmaelitish women.

[8] And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction.

[9] And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed.


Free Lunch wrote:

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 02:01:32 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net wrote

in alt.talk.creationism: >

A drag queen named Harris Glen Milstead, who worked as an actor under

the name 'Divine', did indeed exist. But I don't think anyone

worshipped him. <G> >

John Waters?

His movies are dog poop.


Jason wrote:


If he wins, I hope he pays for all of his vacations. If so, that would

save the tax payers millions of dollars per year.

America would save a lot of money if Barack and Michelle and their two rugrats were on vacation 24/7/265.


Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:


Actually, the evidence for flying saucers tends to be more credible than

evidence for deities or supernatural agents, despite the blurry and

vague nature of the evidence presented for flying saucers. >

In 1946 Kenneth Arnold, looking for a downed Marine transport plane, saw nine bright meteoroids flying between Mt. Rainier and Mt. Adams at supersonic speeds, and they were rotating, and their irregular shape made them hop up and down in the airstream. After he landed he told some reporters they were skipping like saucers thrown over water. He was describing their motion, not their shape. This got garbled in transmission. Immediately after that, and forever after, people "saw" flying saucers. Thus it was with the cargo cult in Mad Max III. Thus it was with all major religions.



duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:40:25 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


John Doe wrote:

linuxgal <linuxgal cleanposts.com wrote: >

John Doe wrote: > linuxgal <linuxgal cleanposts.com wrote: >> > That is bullshit. There is nothing in the Bible that remotely > suggests Jesus had any sort of sexual relationship, or even > that he spent time in private (out of plain sight) with a > woman. >> >>

On the contrary, it is written (John 8:9) And they which heard

it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by

one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus

was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. > That does not remotely suggest that Jesus had a sexual > relationship. And that's your only example. That is a pathetic > excuse for suggesting that Jesus spent time in private with a > woman or had sexual relations. >>

I didn't suggest that he had a sexual relationship, only that

you were in error to assert that Jesus was never alone with a

woman

Obviously Jesus was not alone. The woman was there.

That's what "alone with a woman" means.


There were always plenty of people around.


That's a tradition of men. The text says Jesus was left alone with the woman in the temple. Are you going to believe the bible or your own lying assumptions?


HVAC wrote: On 4/1/2012 9:10 AM, linuxgal wrote: > >

Two photons emerge from a beam-splitter in Denver. One of them is

right-hand circular polarized (the electric and magnetic fields twist

360 degrees to the right once per cycle), the other one twists left, but

no one knows which is which. They are allowed to fly apart down separate

fiber optic cables, one to Richland, Washington, the other to Oak Ridge,

Tennesee. In Richland, the photon is measured to have a left-hand

polarization. This observation instantly (faster than is possible by the

speed limit c) causes the wavefunction of the photon in the national

laboratory in Tennessee to resolve as a Southpaw. >

Action at a distance.


Ya....Maybe not so spooky though.

There is zero experimental evidence for this theoretical 'action'.



Not only have the experiments been done, but it has commercial applications in the field of cryptography. A third party taps into the data stream, it messes up the transfer. At a distance, faster than light.

WP:

There are currently four companies offering commercial quantum key distribution systems; id Quantique (Geneva), MagiQ Technologies (New York), SmartQuantum (France) and QuintessenceLabs (Australia).


duke wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:50:23 +0000 (UTC), John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:


Calling Mary the "Mother of God" is totally perverse, it reeks of

corruption, and it's obviously not what Jesus intended.


Jesus is Son of God and Mary is his mother. Luke says that. You figure it out.


Great trick, duke, let me try it.

Laura Dern is the the daughter of Bruce Dern, and Diane Ladd is her mother, therefore Bruce Dern is the Father of Diane Ladd!


duke wrote: On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 05:50:29 -0700, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


duke wrote:

I had a black cat cross my path leaving Church yesterday. I was a nervous wreck

for over 2 hours. >

That's what happens when you get a weekly megaboost of superstition like

that.


Hey, I'm only human. They didn't kill all those black cats for nothing.


Yes they did. For nothing. They believed those cats were "familiar spirits". And they dishonored the Creator by killing them.


duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:09:12 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Really? They were already forty years behind the original schedule and

the iron chariot things just exacerbated things.


No, they weren't late.

Yes they were. The original promise was like this:

And the LORD said, "I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; and I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites."

The people believed God, and packed their things on his promise, and left their old life behind.

Then God changed his mind and said, "I am altering the bargain, Calrissian. Pray I don't alter it any further."

And none of those people saw the land they were promised.


duke wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:14:03 -0800, linuxgal <linuxgal@cleanposts.com wrote:


Well, Peter didn't even get to Rome until at least

the Sixties. Most of his time was spent in Antioch, Syria. And that

negates your "32 AD" claim,


No, it doesn't. He was given his commission in 32AD as the infallible deputy

administrator.


Infallible. That's why St. Paul had to tell him to shut the fuck up. In public.

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?


Dakota wrote:


It's more interesting that conservatives are pretending he never

existed. Putting W back in the news will remind people who screwed up

our nation's economy and image around the world.

Yeah, like Obama is real popular in Pock E Stonn and Asscrackistan right now.

Personal tools
Strangers In Paradise